No! Wrong!
I've never actually declined at all. I have just never accepted the new
CT's. I didn't decline because I wasn't asked. From my point of view,
there wasn't _*any*_ communication directly with the mappers. I knew
about the changes *only *because I am on the Talk-Au list. OSM never
contacted me, and until quite late in the story, I didn't even get any
advice about the change when I logged on to make edits.
I followed the discussion with much interest, and only decided not to
accept the new CT's when I observed the rudeness with which the
objections were handled. The recent spate of correspondence has done
nothing to make me reconsider.
Richard
On 31/03/2012 7:03 PM, Simon Poole wrote:
Richard
while IMHO communications in OSM and out of OSM leave much to desire,
in the case of the licence change there has been a substantial amount
of communication to the mappers. The only reason I can see for you
-not- getting a mail from the OSMF early on, is that you must have
practically immediately declined when that became possible. And I
assume the reasoning at that point in time was that as a decliner you
were already informed about the issues and didn't need the OSMF
pointing out something you already knew about.
Simon
Am 31.03.2012 04:59, schrieb Richard Colless:
I did decline the new terms. And I was contacted, as I said, just
once, by someone trying to persuade me to change my mind. My point
was that OSM never contacted me to say that a licence change was
being considered. That is hardly the right way to go about making a
major change to the system.
I also take issue with this statement:
Declining hurts fellow Australian mappers who have in good faith build
data on-top of your contributions and will leave animosity between our
projects.
Don't try blaming decliners for the hurt to other mappers. If anyone
built up on my edits, and their work gets deleted as a result, blame
OSM, not the members who declined.
Richard
On 31/03/2012 12:36 PM, Ian Sergeant wrote:
Hi Richard,
Like or loathe the licence change, and the manner it has been
pursued, sure. But I really don't think anyone in OSM has tried to
keep the knowledge of the licence change quiet. I think a fair few
people have been trying to get in touch with as many people as possible.
I've personally tried contacting Australian contributors
individually who haven't accepted or declined, and who haven't
edited for a while. These are the people who may not be engaged
with the community any longer, and who actually may not know about
the licence change. Did you decline the licence change? Because if
you did, I'd have assumed that you knew about it and were aware of
the discussion, and therefore didn't need to be contacted.
Thanks,
Ian.
On 31 March 2012 09:14, Richard Colless <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Thank you, John. I couldn't have expressed it better.
Throughout this whole sorry story, I have only ever received ONE
communication form OSM. It was a begging letter asking me to
reconsider. If not for the discussion of the forum, I would not
have even known about the licence change. AI think that shows
how much OSM cares about keeping contributors informed about
changes.
Richard
On 31/03/2012 7:43 AM, John Smith wrote:
On 31 March 2012 01:54, Grant
Slater<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Australian Decliners,
As a mapper, contributor and member of the project's
sysadmin team I
kindly ask you to please reconsider your declined
status. Time is
about to run out.
You and others didn't care about us, told us to go away as
we were
insignificant and our issue were unimportant and now you
come begging
for us to reconsider.
Perhaps the whole license issue should be reconsidered,
after all you
are the one throwing out the baby with the bath water, you are
choosing to do this, not us, perhaps you should choose to
call the
whole thing off.
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