"See the recent discussion on this list for town vs city, in the OSM sense."
Can you provide a direct link or forward information on this?
After being told about the maillist, I went looking for information
specific for Australia, and there was only date based (monthly) archives
linked. Unless I indexed the information myself, there appeared to be no
way to search for information at all.
Appreciate any guidance you can provide. And apologies for future
questions. About to send in 3...2....1...
Thanks
Darren
On 20/12/12 21:53, Ben Kelley wrote:
Hi.
Suburb can mean an area bounded by a gazetted boundary. There is a
sense in which town is similar to suburb, in the sense of how the
boundary is defined. I am pretty sure the UK is different in this regard.
I don't know if West Pymble is a gazetted suburb (I think yes), but it
would then have a boundary. The name you see is likely a node,
possibly placed within the gazetted boundary for West Pymble, or
possibly not.
See the recent discussion on this list for town vs city, in the OSM sense.
- Ben.
On 20/12/2012 9:35 PM, "Darren Burt" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi
I wrote a long question at OSm help and they referred me to you
guys. Hope you can help me help OSM.
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Hi
I've been editing around the area, and noticed that the location
of the [suburb][1] is not what I would have called a reference to
West Pymble. I would have called West Pymble the shopping centre
located [here][2]. I note the following with respect to Sydney:
a) Cities. There are few 'cities' in comparison, to , eg
California, where I would have compared many cities to be
'suburbs'. It's probably a population thing. There seems to be a
trend towards more cities, (eg Sydney, Parramatta, Bankstown,
Penrith etc) but in general usage, most places are referred to
principally as 'suburbs'.
b) Towns in general are referring to country centres. If I 'went
to town' in Sydney, I would be going to Sydney City centre, eg
Town Hall station. This is in contrast, eg to the UK, where many
of the places I would have referred to as suburbs were referred to
as towns.
These are probably a historical growth thing. Sydney has generally
expanded organically from a central point.
c) As a general definition, if somebody referred to just the
suburb, they would refer to the principal activity centre of that
area. In most cases that is the main shopping or commercial area.
Sometimes it might be a train station. Sometimes something else.
But if you drive to the West Pymble located above, you are in the
middle of a residential area. And here's where things extrapolate.
**IMPORTANT**
Please refer to this recent article about [Apple Maps in
Australia][3]. My West Pymble example is trivial. However, in
Australia is not just a matter of inconvenience.
I'd welcome any other Aussies kicking in their opinions as well.
As I said, my example is trivial, but it could turn wickedly wrong
on some of the cattle stations that are [24000 square kms][4] (6m
acres). Centre of that (geographically) could see you 100s or
1000s of kms away from help, and be life or death.
I went looking at the definition of suburb and [found][5] that it
refers to the 'centre of the suburb'. It is not clear if this is
meant to be the geographic centre or some other type of centre.
This need clarification.
Look. I'm new to this editing and everything. I am hoping to get
some clarification on this to help with not just this suburb, but
to provide valuable guidance for other suburbs as well. I would
request an update to the wiki as well to help clarify this.
Appreciate your help.
[1]:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.756665&lon=151.128885&zoom=18&layers=M
[2]:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.761018&lon=151.128327&zoom=18&layers=M
[3]: http://www.geekosystem.com/apple-maps-australia/
[4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Creek_station
[5]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Suburb
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