On 29-Dec-16 09:30 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
Hi all
I would agree with Warin's latest suggested definition: "The boundary
of an authority that is responsible for local government
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government> functions within that
boundary."
If there's "something" there, we should be showing it!
Further to Cleary's comment about NSW Legislation, earlier this week I
was looking at the BoM site for NSW & they had put out a weather
warning for the Unincorporated Area of NSW, so they also think that it
exists!
On a similar line (& apologies if it's been discussed & resolved
previously) how do we treat Aboriginal towns? They lie within some
form of "Shire" (presumably Level 6), but then each town is run by
it's Local Community Council. Are they also a Level 6 authority?
I don't think they are a level 6 ...
Tibooburra and Silverton also have 'village councils' .. but are inside
the 'unincorporated thingy' ...
I think these 'village councils' operate under the oversight of their
respective level 6 bodies.
These, if entered, should be a lesser number .. 7 (District or Region
Border ) or 9 (Suburb and Locality Border) {8 is postcodes, 10 is Suburb
and Locality Border (ABS boundaries) } .. to show that they are a
'lesser' entity.
Thanks
Graeme
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On 29 December 2016 at 08:08, cleary <o...@97k.com
<mailto:o...@97k.com>> wrote:
I have a different view about whether the unincorporated areas
actually
exist. They have defined boundaries and names, both assigned by the
respective State governments, and included in the LGA datasets. I have
seen the boundaries signposted when travelling in rural areas of both
NSW and SA and the signs are the same as signs identifying shire/city
boundaries. Governments don't give boundaries, names and signposts to
entities that do not exist. I do agree that unincorporated areas have
different and varied governance/administrative arrangements - I
understand that State governments have considered the different
arrangements more suitable because the unincorporated areas are more
sparsely populated and/or have special circumstances. If it is
important
to highlight the different administrative arrangements, then Warin's
suggestion of additional tags is a good way forward. As the areas do
actually exist, it seems to me that they warrant being appropriately
mapped with administrative boundaries, as shown in the State
government
LGA datasets.
After Andrew's earlier comment about references in legislation, I
looked
at NSW legislation. There are a few references to the Unincorporated
Area of NSW and generally they refer to it as if it were a local
government area. The most explicit is the Electricity Supply Act 1995
which states that the legislation "applies to the unincorporated
area as
if (a) references to a local government area were references to the
unincorporated area, and (b) references to a local council were
references to the Western Lands Commissioner" and it makes similar
provisons in regard to Lord Howe Island and the Lord Howe Island
Board.
For practical purposes the Unincorporated Area of NSW and Lord Howe
Island appear to be treated as similar and equivalent to areas
administered by councils.
I don't think I can add anything new and would be repeating myself
if I
said much more. I won't keep posting further comments on this
issue but
I hope that the OSM community might help clarify the matter or suggest
an alternate approach. I have an interest in administrative
boundaries
and I have travelled and mapped in rural and remote parts of NSW,
SA and
other states. I remain disappointed that the Unincorporated Area
of New
South Wales was deleted and I don't wish to see other unincorporated
LGAs deleted either.
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