It seems to me that there are external links to a variety of websites in some of the WA OSM data. I draw your attention to the Department of Parks and Wildlife. That website too is copyright like every website in AU. I see no permissions sought as to whether the DPaW allows a map contributor to look at a photo on their website or glean some information as to whether there are toilets at a particular spot.
Unfortunately I don't think they are going to upload their images to a site offshore either. You will find they use images from third parties with the appropriate permissions to display on their website. I display data from another large organisation that is funded by the WA Government. I asked permission to "link" to their particular pages via google maps and they replied with some html to insert into the balloon and said that was fine. My reason was that their information was very relevant to these remote beaches for people to be made aware of the danger at the particular beach in question. There is no breach of copyright if you look at a photo and then make an observation about the photo. There may be in other countries but not in AU. There is a breach of copyright if some one took that photo as their own and uploaded it to a photo sharing site etc. I choose to leave those images on my server and not anyone else's. Those "links" to the photo's are there for you the end user to see and understand what that 4wd surface actually is. Trust me you have people drawing ways in places that the unsuspecting commuter could end up in some serious shit. Opening the any link in a new tab or window involves using target="blank" after the url. I am not going to insert that html into the web page or image link due to the fact of this security issue. https://www.jitbit.com/alexblog/256-targetblank---the-most-underestimated-vulnerability-ever/ This is something that could be done by others. At the moment it is the safest way to view any external link and the OSM people will probably agree. I will remove the instances of viewpoints/coastal vistas etc and stick to actually just detailing the actual track surfaces and other factors relating to the actual track. Keith On 10 April 2018 at 11:16, Andrew Harvey <andrew.harv...@gmail.com> wrote: > Since you own the copyright in those photos, and unless you've licensed > them such that information can be derived for use in OSM, then only you can > use these photos to derive information for OSM. > > If you want to contribute these photos for anyone to use to derive > information for OSM I suggest you upload them to Mapillary as then they'll > automatically be available for OSM contributors, otherwise you'll need to > explicitly say you allow this. > > The Contributors page is mainly for organisations who are contributing > geodata for use in OSM where the licensing states we need to provide > attribution. > > On 8 April 2018 at 23:42, K C <busht...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I am the author of bushtrax.com and also added a lot of 4wd tracks >> between 2008 and 2012 so should I add the listing to the contributors >> index?. Interesting to note that the Holland Track trace came from >> bushtrax.com as when I over laid my file it was a perfect match. >> >> Keith >> >> On 8 April 2018 at 18:50, <talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org> wrote: >> >>> Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to >>> talk-au@openstreetmap.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Talk-au digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. tagged links to photos (nwastra) >>> 2. tagged links to photos (nwastra) >>> 3. Re: tagged links to photos (Andrew Harvey) >>> 4. Re: tagged links to photos (fors...@ozonline.com.au) >>> 5. tagged links to photos (nwastra) >>> 6. tagged links to photos (nwastra) >>> 7. Virtual Mapping Party for Brisbane (Joel H.) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 12:31:29 +1000 >>> From: nwastra <nwas...@gmail.com> >>> To: OSM - Talk-au <Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> >>> Subject: [talk-au] tagged links to photos >>> Message-ID: <e1509b9c-e86c-45bc-87dd-0b2ab25be...@gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Are we free to add tag links to images to OSM as in this. >>> http://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=57903447 >>> The https://www.bushtrax.com site is copyrighted so I assume that such >>> links to the photos need to be either accompanied by permission or >>> disclaimer or suitable licence or display of the copyright, etc from the >>> copyright holder. >>> Does anything need to be documented on this page >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australia. >>> Or is any url from the web of an image ok to be pasted without any >>> further consideration other than relevance? >>> Nev >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 12:36:23 +1000 >>> From: nwastra <nwas...@gmail.com> >>> To: OSM - Talk-au <Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> >>> Subject: [talk-au] tagged links to photos >>> Message-ID: <60482665-de1e-4b6c-9131-b8afeb78d...@gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> clarification….as on most of the yellow nodes in the Achavi link… >>> >>> > On 8 Apr 2018, at 12:31 PM, nwastra <nwas...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > Are we free to add tag links to images to OSM as in this. >>> > http://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=57903447 >>> > The https://www.bushtrax.com site is copyrighted so I assume that >>> such links to the photos need to be either accompanied by permission or >>> disclaimer or suitable licence or display of the copyright, etc from the >>> copyright holder. >>> > Does anything need to be documented on this page >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australia. >>> > Or is any url from the web of an image ok to be pasted without any >>> further consideration other than relevance? >>> > Nev >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 12:59:01 +1000 >>> From: Andrew Harvey <andrew.harv...@gmail.com> >>> To: nwastra <nwas...@gmail.com> >>> Cc: OSM - Talk-au <Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> >>> Subject: Re: [talk-au] tagged links to photos >>> Message-ID: >>> <cad5vjsuozlp4mw4rhte3kfucvx4kee4ewgtqufmxgjh6ylk...@mail.gm >>> ail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> For example https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5536892235 >>> >>> The wiki summarises the image key pretty well >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:image >>> >>> The image may be copyrighted, but a including a link should be fine, just >>> as the website key links to copyrighted websites. We're not using that >>> image to derive any information about the object in OSM. >>> >>> Personally, due to the reasons mentioned on the wiki we should discourage >>> use of the image key, anyone that wants an image of that viewport can >>> query >>> wikimedia, flickr, Mapillary, etc. for photos within a few meters of the >>> location. >>> >>> On 8 April 2018 at 12:31, nwastra <nwas...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > Are we free to add tag links to images to OSM as in this. >>> > http://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=57903447 >>> > The https://www.bushtrax.com site is copyrighted so I assume that such >>> > links to the photos need to be either accompanied by permission or >>> > disclaimer or suitable licence or display of the copyright, etc from >>> the >>> > copyright holder. >>> > Does anything need to be documented on this page >>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australia. >>> > Or is any url from the web of an image ok to be pasted without any >>> further >>> > consideration other than relevance? >>> > Nev >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Talk-au mailing list >>> > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachment >>> s/20180408/476bfa4b/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2018 13:04:10 +1000 >>> From: fors...@ozonline.com.au >>> To: nwastra <nwas...@gmail.com> >>> Cc: OSM - Talk-au <Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> >>> Subject: Re: [talk-au] tagged links to photos >>> Message-ID: <20180408130410.m5n9ckfty8cw0...@webmail2.ozonline.com.au> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; >>> format="flowed" >>> >>> Nev >>> >>> My guess is that its OK to link to copyright data without any >>> disclaimer. I do however have concerns about the verifiability of >>> these nodes and relevance of the images. >>> >>> Would we identify these locations as viewpoints? I doubt it. >>> >>> The images are not of the mapped feature, they are from the viewpoint >>> not of the viewpoint. >>> >>> Tony >>> >>> > Are we free to add tag links to images to OSM as in this. >>> > http://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=57903447 >>> > The https://www.bushtrax.com site is copyrighted so I assume that >>> > such links to the photos need to be either accompanied by permission >>> > or disclaimer or suitable licence or display of the copyright, etc >>> > from the copyright holder. >>> > Does anything need to be documented on this page >>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australia. >>> > Or is any url from the web of an image ok to be pasted without any >>> > further consideration other than relevance? >>> > Nev >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Talk-au mailing list >>> > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >>> > >>> > _____________________________________________________ >>> > This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line >>> > see http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 14:09:11 +1000 >>> From: nwastra <nwas...@gmail.com> >>> To: OSM - Talk-au <Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> >>> Subject: [talk-au] tagged links to photos >>> Message-ID: <8e1977d1-db47-4c90-9a32-4b1073a49...@gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> A GoogleMaps image is ok too?…when they are of of a mapped feature (and >>> not used to map the feature)? or is this different? >>> https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-33.9560741,119.9166289,3a,7 >>> 5y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipM_Vhku1tFjnVrw8FDsYSYLFmw0E >>> vpu6UsVGGQ1!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent. >>> com%2Fp%2FAF1QipM_Vhku1tFjnVrw8FDsYSYLFmw0Evpu6UsVGGQ1%3Dw203-h114-k-no! >>> 7i5344!8i3006 >>> >>> > >>> >> Are we free to add tag links to images to OSM as in this. >>> >> http://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=57903447 >>> >> The https://www.bushtrax.com site is copyrighted so I assume that >>> such links to the photos need to be either accompanied by permission or >>> disclaimer or suitable licence or display of the copyright, etc from the >>> copyright holder. >>> >> Does anything need to be documented on this page >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australia. >>> >> Or is any url from the web of an image ok to be pasted without any >>> further consideration other than relevance? >>> >> Nev >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Talk-au mailing list >>> >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >>> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >>> >> >>> >> _____________________________________________________ >>> >> This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line >>> >> see http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 15:32:15 +1000 >>> From: nwastra <nwas...@gmail.com> >>> To: OSM - Talk-au <Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> >>> Subject: [talk-au] tagged links to photos >>> Message-ID: <963abf71-9d4b-440d-bacd-e47e4ae46...@gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> I think Google images are an exception after looking at the following >>> and point 2d seems particularly relevant. >>> https://www.google.com/intl/en_au/help/terms_maps.html >>> At https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:image the ‘unresolved >>> issues’ should be considered and commonsense would suggest that Google >>> images are not suitable. >>> >>> Thanks for your comments. >>> Nev >>> > On 8 Apr 2018, at 2:09 PM, nwastra <nwas...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > A GoogleMaps image is ok too?…when they are of of a mapped feature >>> (and not used to map the feature)? or is this different? >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachment >>> s/20180408/4e7b7f7d/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 7 >>> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 20:49:58 +1000 >>> From: "Joel H." <joelh@cocaine.ninja> >>> To: OpenStreetMap <talk-au@openstreetmap.org> >>> Subject: [talk-au] Virtual Mapping Party for Brisbane >>> Message-ID: <ca47d81e-29e2-98fd-0df5-10507f762926@cocaine.ninja> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> Hello everyone! >>> >>> With the next Brisbane mapping party dawning on us very shortly, I >>> though it would be a great opportunity to get community involvement in >>> remote mapping the buildings from satellite! >>> >>> The area will be around Indooroopilly, Taringa and St Lucia, Since that >>> will probably be where our next event is. >>> >>> I will colour-code loose zones for people to map in (similar rules to >>> HOTOSM, try to stay in your zone). >>> >>> >>> So please, if you are interested please respond ASAP! >>> >>> >>> -- Joel H. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: Digest Footer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-au mailing list >>> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> End of Talk-au Digest, Vol 130, Issue 4 >>> *************************************** >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> >> >
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