Very interesting, thanks Mark! While looking around, I'd spotted a few references that said they were, but by your extracts, it certainly appears they're not?
So, to get a definitive answer, I've just flicked an e-mail off to the Honours Directorate of the PM's Department! We'll see what they have to say on the matter? Thanks Graeme On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 at 15:42, Mark Rattigan <[email protected]> wrote: > I may be nit-picking, but (as I understand it) the Australian Aboriginal > Flag and Torres Strait Islander Flag have been recognised as the flags of > the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people of Australia and as flags > of significance to the Australian nation and thus been appointed by > proclamation of the Governor General as flags of the Aboriginal and Torres > Strait Islander peoples respectively, but NOT National Flags. > > > The Flags Act 1953 https://www.legislation.gov.au/Latest/C2008C00376 > declares only one National Flag - the 'blue flag" > "The blue flag ... is declared to be the Australian National Flag." > > The Governor-General may, by Proclamation, appoint such other flags and > ensigns of Australia as he thinks fit, and has done so as below: > > Proclamation under the Flags Act 1953 (Australian Aboriginal Flag): > https://www.legislation.gov.au/Latest/F2008L00209 > "acting with the advice of the Federal Executive Council and noting the > fact that the flag ... is recognised as the flag of the Aboriginal peoples > of Australia and a flag of significance to the Australian nation generally, > appoint that flag, ... to be the flag of the Aboriginal peoples of > Australia and to be known as the Australian Aboriginal Flag..." > > Proclamation under the Flags Act 1953 (Torres Strait Islander Flag): > https://www.legislation.gov.au/Latest/F2008L00210 > " acting with the advice of the Federal Executive Council and noting the > fact that the flag ... is recognised as the flag of the Torres Strait > Islander people of Australia and a flag of significance to the Australian > nation generally, appoint that flag ... to be the flag of the Torres Strait > Islander people of Australia and to be known as the Torres Strait Islander > Flag..." > > > The flags are undoubtedly of significance and represent their respective > peoples, but they don't meet the description from the OSM wiki for > flag:type=national being "the main civil flag of a nation", and have not > been declared by the Flags Act 1953 to be such. > > I second the suggestion of flag:type=indigenous - none of the other > already defined flag:types really fit. > > Cheers > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] <talk-au- > > [email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, 13 December 2021 3:31 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Talk-au Digest, Vol 174, Issue 13 > > > > Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to > > [email protected] > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > [email protected] > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [email protected] > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: > > Contents of Talk-au digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: First Nations flags? (Graeme Fitzpatrick) > > 2. Re: First Nations flags? (Graeme Fitzpatrick) > > 3. Re: First Nations flags? (Warin) > > 4. Re: First Nations flags? (Phil Wyatt) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 08:34:00 +1000 > > From: Graeme Fitzpatrick <[email protected]> > > To: Andrew Davidson <[email protected]>, OSM-Au > > <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [talk-au] First Nations flags? > > Message-ID: > > <CAP4zaXr8EBHOeyM9ZQLA0=CTFASH0GAg7Sg9EZAGcM2rpmoLDw@ > > mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 at 17:23, Andrew Davidson <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > flag:name=Australian Aboriginal > > > flag:wikidata=Q1285625 > > > > > > flag:name=Torres Strait Islander > > > flag:wikidata=Q462621 > > > > > > > Thanks for that info, Andrew. > > > > & after a bit more searching last night, it turns out that they have > both been > > proclaimed as Australian National Flags, which I wasn't aware of. > > > > It's going to be interesting to see how it works when / if flags start > being > > rendered? > > > > I'll update the Oz Guidelines to include this info. > > > > Thanks > > > > Graeme > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk- > > au/attachments/20211213/3d2939ee/attachment-0001.htm> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 12:53:13 +1000 > > From: Graeme Fitzpatrick <[email protected]> > > To: Andrew Davidson <[email protected]>, OSM-Au > > <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [talk-au] First Nations flags? > > Message-ID: > > <CAP4zaXp54iiyf4TKfH0DS6doMPEUc7c3t_V8WLUdQoybB- > > [email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 at 08:34, Graeme Fitzpatrick <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I'll update the Oz Guidelines to include this info. > > > > > > > & done: > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Australi > > an_Flags > > > > Having troubles with the example images of the Aboriginal & Torres Strait > > Islander flags though? > > > > They're both listed in Wikipedia > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_flags#Other_flags_recognise > > d_under_the_Flags_Act_1953, > > but when I tried to link to those images, it appears that they don't > really exist? > > > > Could somebody who actually knows what they're doing around the wiki > > please have a look at them? :-) > > > > Thanks > > > > Graeme > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk- > > au/attachments/20211213/d0702746/attachment-0001.htm> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 14:50:12 +1100 > > From: Warin <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [talk-au] First Nations flags? > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > > > There is a claim of copyright ob the Aboriginal flag.. (foolish if you > ask me)... > > > > Oh and also the Torres Strait Islander one too... (sigh) > > > > > > Both are listed as copyright on wikipedia. > > > > So those are out for OSM? > > > > > > On 13/12/21 1:53 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 at 08:34, Graeme Fitzpatrick > > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'll update the Oz Guidelines to include this info. > > > > > > > > > & done: > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Aust > > > ralian_Flags > > > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Aus > > > tralian_Flags> > > > > > > Having troubles with the example images of the Aboriginal & Torres > > > Strait Islander flags though? > > > > > > They're both listed in Wikipedia > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_flags#Other_flags_rec > > > ognised_under_the_Flags_Act_1953 > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_flags#Other_flags_re > > > cognised_under_the_Flags_Act_1953>, > > > but when I tried to link to those images, it appears that they don't > > > really exist? > > > > > > Could somebody who actually knows what they're doing around the wiki > > > please have a look at them? :-) > > > > > > ?Thanks > > > > > > Graeme > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Talk-au mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk- > > au/attachments/20211213/c2195d17/attachment-0001.htm> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 15:30:20 +1100 > > From: "Phil Wyatt" <[email protected]> > > To: "'Warin'" <[email protected]>, <talk- > > [email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [talk-au] First Nations flags? > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > That?s correct on all fronts > > > > https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/aboriginal-flag > > > > https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/torres-strait-islander-flag > > > > https://www.naidoc.org.au/about/indigenous-australian-flags > > > > > > > > Might have some luck with Torres Strait Island Regional Council in > getting > > permission to use > > > > > > > > From: Warin <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, 13 December 2021 2:50 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [talk-au] First Nations flags? > > > > > > > > There is a claim of copyright ob the Aboriginal flag.. (foolish if you > ask me)... > > > > Oh and also the Torres Strait Islander one too... (sigh) > > > > > > > > Both are listed as copyright on wikipedia. > > > > So those are out for OSM? > > > > > > > > On 13/12/21 1:53 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 at 08:34, Graeme Fitzpatrick <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > I'll update the Oz Guidelines to include this info. > > > > > > > > & done: > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Australi > > an_Flags > > > > > > > > Having troubles with the example images of the Aboriginal & Torres Strait > > Islander flags though? > > > > > > > > They're both listed in Wikipedia > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_flags#Other_flags_recognise > > d_under_the_Flags_Act_1953, but when I tried to link to those images, it > > appears that they don't really exist? > > > > > > > > Could somebody who actually knows what they're doing around the wiki > > please have a look at them? :-) > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Graeme > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Talk-au mailing list > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk- > > au/attachments/20211213/651e2afa/attachment.htm> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Talk-au mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of Talk-au Digest, Vol 174, Issue 13 > > **************************************** > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >
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