On this subject, just working through Notes & found this one: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=15/-36.0545/146.8886 (you'll have to turn Notes on to see it!), which reads:
*" Private Property. The following are not public tracks/trails. TV Track, Rons Trail, Kuhne Trail, part of Gorge Trail, Blood Gully and all un-named trails and tracks within following boundary - on Southern side marked - Glenroy, Western Boundary marked - Splitters Creek and the Ridge Trail on Eastern and Northern side."* Submitted by "Anonymous", 15/5/19. They all show as tracks or paths, foot & bike, route=mtb: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-36.0522/146.8825 So what do we do? Do we take an anonymous comment as gospel & mark them no access? (I wouldn't have said so!) Or just leave them for somebody in the area to confirm one way or the other? The comment is ~3 years old, & the last update on a couple of the tracks that I looked at was last year, so it would appear that at least somebody thinks they're still active & accessible! Thanks Graeme On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 at 11:20, Adam Horan <aho...@gmail.com> wrote: > *Seems like most folks change to path if it in a ‘park’ of some sort and >> use ‘footway’ in the streets* > > > I'm very much in this camp, not so much actively changing them if someone > retags, but generally preferring 'path' for things out in the countryside > and footway for urban settings. > > Plus path seems so flexible and has fewer confusing connotations. path + > foot + bike is fine and clear, but footway + bike, or cycleway + foot is > confusing. > > Adam > > > On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 at 10:34, Phil Wyatt <p...@wyatt-family.com> wrote: > >> It certainly differs greatly in metropolitan areas – try using ‘Greater >> Hobart’ as the search criteria. Seems like most folks change to path if it >> in a ‘park’ of some sort and use ‘footway’ in the streets >> >> >> >> *From:* Andrew Harvey <andrew.harv...@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Friday, 28 January 2022 10:25 AM >> *To:* Phil Wyatt <p...@wyatt-family.com> >> *Cc:* Tony Forster <fors...@ozonline.com.au>; talk OSM Australian List < >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> >> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Deletion of walking tracks/paths >> >> >> >> Impressive overpass query you've got there! I'd say 90% are tagged path, >> 10% footway. >> >> >> >> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 at 22:30, Phil Wyatt <p...@wyatt-family.com> wrote: >> >> Mmm, certainly bikes are banned on walking tracks (they are classified as >> vehicles in tas and need to stick to 'roads') >> >> Here is a quick Overpass query for Cradle Mountain National Park - maybe >> try >> it o your local parks >> >> https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1fus >> >> Cheers - Phil >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fors...@ozonline.com.au <fors...@ozonline.com.au> >> Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2022 10:22 PM >> To: Phil Wyatt <p...@wyatt-family.com> >> Cc: 'Andrew Harvey' <andrew.harv...@gmail.com>; 'talk OSM Australian >> List' >> <Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> >> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Deletion of walking tracks/paths >> >> Hi >> >> Out in the middle of nowhere I would use path unless there was an explicit >> prohibition of bicycles. >> >> But I could be wrong >> >> Tony >> >> > Thanks folks, >> > >> > >> > >> > OK ? It would be good to clarify that as the vast majority of the >> > ?bushwalking? track network in Tasmania is path but I am also seeing >> > strange footway out the middle of nowhere (ie Eastern Arthurs, Hartz >> > Mountains). I did suspect that footway is being used more where there >> > is infrastructure but that will also be an issue as something like >> > the Overland Track or the Southcoast will get split from path to >> > footway everywhere there is some infrastructure. >> > >> > >> > >> > I might even start compiling some images of track infrastructure so >> > it can be nailed down before I start a QA across the network. >> > >> > >> > >> > I will also do a scan across other bushwalking areas around the country. >> > >> > >> > >> > Cheers - Phil >> > >> > >> > >> > From: Andrew Harvey <andrew.harv...@gmail.com> >> > Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2022 9:54 PM >> > To: talk OSM Australian List <Talk-au@openstreetmap.org> >> > Subject: Re: [talk-au] Deletion of walking tracks/paths >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 at 17:56, Phil Wyatt <p...@wyatt-family.com >> > <mailto:p...@wyatt-family.com> > wrote: >> > >> > Just a quick thing I noticed ? the main tagging page says not to use >> > do not use <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway> >> > highway= <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dfootway> >> > footway and the preference is >> > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway> highway= >> > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath> path, but >> > the walking track page mentions that tag regularly ? what is the >> > differentiation? >> > >> > >> > >> > That part may be controversial, but I've documented it based on my >> > view which is highway=footway is for paths built for/intended for >> > use mostly by people on foot and highway=path is a generic path with >> > no clear intended mode, but not wide enough for cars. >> > >> > >> > >> > So a hiking track is specifically for walking so highway=footway >> > with this view. >> > >> > >> > >> > An alternative view is that highway=footway is for urban paths, and >> > remote bushwalking tracks should be highway=path, but I think that >> > view is outdated now. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 at 21:32, <fors...@ozonline.com.au >> > <mailto:fors...@ozonline.com.au> > wrote: >> > >> > Hi >> > >> > I assumed that >> > highway=footway is a path mainly for pedestrians that may or may not >> > allow bicycles >> > >> > highway=cycleway is a path mainly for cyclists that may or may not >> > allow pedestrians >> > >> > and highway=path is not saying anything about allowed transport modes >> > >> > >> > >> > For me it's not really about the allowed transport modes, that still >> > remains best tagged explicitly with foot=*, bicycle=*, etc. but >> > which is the main mode it was built for/designed for/actively in use >> > for. >> > >> > >> > >> > At the end of the day, it's probably all for nothing, do data >> > consumers really distinguish highway=footway from highway=path? >> > >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >
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