On 2/2/22 20:20, stevea wrote:
On Feb 2, 2022, at 12:41 AM, Bob Cameron <[email protected]> wrote:
MR358 or Coulsons Creek Road between Willow Tree and Merriwa NSW is closed for repair of
major slippage as it crosses the Liverpool Ranges. "Livetraffic" (Traffic for
NSW govt site) says not reopening until late 2023. A reference on that to a local govt
site is devoid of any current information.
In the OSM data catalogue Wiki thare are a number of TFNSW waivers but I dont see
anything obvious that would allow me to copy the "Livetraffic" closed road
section.
Livetraffic uses Google maps. It is quite explicit as to what length/location
is closed.
As it turns out I'll be at the Willow Tree and Merriwa ends of this road in a
week so can view any closure signs. I also know the slippage section as I drove
on it just before it was closed a year ago. There are even Mapillary images of
same. I don't however plan to drive up to the closure barriers at each end to
check for sure!
Do I have enough to make an educated guess as to what section would be deemed
closed without violating any copy-write etc stuff.
I don't think this is lengthy at all (but I'm rumored to be loquacious). I think what this fundamentally comes to is "facts cannot be
copyrighted." As long as you are aware that perhaps the Livetraffic MIGHT be copyrighted (you heard it over the air, so "maybe," it
is government produced, so "maybe") and you explicitly "subtract that from your knowledge," you are on the right track. Start
with your knowledge (you "know the slippage section" from only a year ago), that's pretty solid ground to stand on. Also, don't forget to
"mentally subtract from your knowledge" anything Google Maps (explicit), though the fact that Livetraffic uses that is a grey area, as it
could be considered a "derived work."
I'm not a copyright attorney (and I am in California, USA), but if what you are entering
into OSM what you know to be (truthful) facts, you're 100% OK, as "facts cannot be
copyrighted."
I don't know if this helps, I hope it does. Good on ya' to ask, maybe others
can hone in on a better bullseye than I am here.
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The 'facts cannot be copyright' may be a USA thing that does not work
elsewhere. Don't know but I would not rely on it alone.
Other sources of 'information'? Newspapers, radio and TV ... a quick
google search gets a few of these.. and local council notices too. I
would think these sources want the information used, so would not claim
copyright on the information itself.
The next question is .. how will you map it? Put 'disused:' in front of
it and add a 'comment=land slip - under repair. expected opening in 2024'?
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