The intersection shown in mapillary without traffic lights https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=764585334231385&lat=-34.72009104&lng=138.66975917&z=17&focus=photo would be one where performing a u-turn is allowed. As you go along the mapillary trace, you can even see two different vehicles making u-turns in median breaks.
On Tue, 3 May 2022 at 09:52, Anthony Panozzo <pan...@outlook.com> wrote: > You are wrong, you can not do u-turns at t-intersections on a one way road > > > > > > > > *From: *Dian Ågesson <m...@diacritic.xyz> > *Sent: *Tuesday, 3 May 2022 8:39 AM > *To: *Anthony Panozzo <pan...@outlook.com> > *Cc: *talk-au@openstreetmap.org > *Subject: *Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13 > > > > Anthony, > > This user is telling me I don't even know the road rules LMAO, and just to > be clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the buttons > without question and you are happy to defend every single one of his edits > > Speaking personally, I am not defending every single one of his edits, as > I have not reviewed them all. > > However, every edit that you’ve referred to in this mail chain as being > “wrong” hasn’t had any issues. We’ve covered: > > - Deleting a restriction which does not contain a from/to way (valid) > > - remodelling intersections to remove crosses (valid) > > - adding a u turn using a way as a “via” member (valid) > > And you have now raised a different type of problem, > > - Removing a u turn restriction at an intersection with no traffic lights. > > On the latter point, I quote > > > https://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/__legislation/lz/c/r/australian%20road%20rules/current/2014.205.auth.pdf > > A driver must not make a U-turn at an intersection without traffic lights *if > there is a no U-turn sign at the intersection*" > > Note 2— > U-turns are permitted at intersections without traffic lights unless there > is a no U-turn sign, even though traffic lane arrows indicate that the > driver must or may turn right—see rule 92. > > this is now the fourth type of error which isn’t actually wrong. > > If there is a valid issue, then obviously it should be fixed. But I am > unable to identify a problem in the edits you’ve raised. > > Please, take a deep breath and consider some of the points raised before > responding with another flurry of emails. > > dian > > > On 2022-05-02 22:49, Anthony Panozzo wrote: > > This user is telling me I don't even know the road rules LMAO, and just to > be clear again... you are arguing this guy is free to click all the buttons > without question and you are happy to defend every single one of his edits > > > > > > > > *From: *talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org > *Sent: *Tuesday, 3 May 2022 8:16 AM > *To: *talk-au@openstreetmap.org > *Subject: *Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13 > > > > Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to > talk-au@openstreetmap.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Talk-au digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 12 (Anthony Panozzo) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 22:44:40 +0000 > From: Anthony Panozzo <pan...@outlook.com> > To: "talk-au@openstreetmap.org" <talk-au@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 12 > Message-ID: > < > pr3p192mb092730c19a6c808662675473cc...@pr3p192mb0927.eurp192.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > You said this ?I'm not sure I understand what you think the problem is > with this edit. The > road rules in South Australia allow you to do a u-turn around the end of a > median at an intersection provided that there is no sign prohibiting it or > traffic lights:? which is 100% incorrect, you can only do a u-turn if > there is a sign permitting you to do so. You don?t have the understanding > to be able to blindly click buttons from this state,ent alone, and yet > people will come to your defence lmao > > > > From: talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org<mailto: > talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org> > Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 8:10 AM > To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 12 > > Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to > talk-au@openstreetmap.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Talk-au digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re: Talk-au Digest, > Vol 179, Issue 6) (Andrew Davidson) > 2. TheSwavu (Anthony Panozzo) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 08:33:00 +1000 > From: Andrew Davidson <thesw...@gmail.com> > To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [talk-au] U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re: > Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 6) > Message-ID: <80784b78-0628-85f3-f104-1f10b652d...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 3/5/22 08:18, Anthony Panozzo wrote: > > Well this is the situation, TheSwavu is directly emailing me telling me > > it is perfectly legal to do u-turns at intersections > > Gmail will send an email to both the mail list and the original sender > by default on reply. You will have noticed the list email address in the > CC:. Or maybe you didn't notice? > > By the way, the link you sent me off-list: > > https://samotor.raa.com.au/do-you-know-the-u-turn-road-rules/ > > says exactly the same thing I was trying to explain to you. Perhaps this > video might make it clearer: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0SzfStP1nE > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 22:38:42 +0000 > From: Anthony Panozzo <pan...@outlook.com> > To: "talk-au@openstreetmap.org" <talk-au@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: [talk-au] TheSwavu > Message-ID: > < > pr3p192mb0927765cf14135074d2b08a2cc...@pr3p192mb0927.eurp192.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > By directly emailing me he trying to mess up the way au-talk is > formatting, no one here gets to see what he is emailing me, he has no clue > about the laws/rules or the areas, this is a joke > > > > From: talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org<mailto: > talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org> > Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 8:04 AM > To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 11 > > Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to > talk-au@openstreetmap.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Talk-au digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: New OSM Discourse site: community.osm.org (Andy Townsend) > 2. U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re: Talk-au Digest, Vol > 179, Issue 6) (Andrew Davidson) > 3. Re: U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re: Talk-au Digest, > Vol 179, Issue 6) (Anthony Panozzo) > 4. Re: U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re: Talk-au Digest, > Vol 179, Issue 6) (Anthony Panozzo) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 22:50:24 +0100 > From: Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com> > To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [talk-au] New OSM Discourse site: community.osm.org > Message-ID: <fff4b3e7-9fae-1404-764d-5c0566a11...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 02/05/2022 22:36, Andrew Davidson wrote: > > > > How do we get a category we can interact with through email? I haven't > > used Discource enough to picture how it works. > > > If you enable mailing list mode in your profile, you will get emailed > all messages and can reply to them by email too.? What you can't yet do > is to create a new thread by email - to do that you'll need to go to > e.g. https://community.openstreetmap.org/c/help-and-support/7 and click > "new topic". > > Best Regards, > > Andy > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 08:00:50 +1000 > From: Andrew Davidson <thesw...@gmail.com> > To: Anthony Panozzo <pan...@outlook.com> > Cc: OpenStreetMap <talk-au@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: [talk-au] U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re: Talk-au > Digest, Vol 179, Issue 6) > Message-ID: > < > cacxr7k04v4tzc+sr8xqdypndrttwsz4ao0cozoc+hjiegqu...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Tue, 3 May 2022, 03:02 Anthony Panozzo, <pan...@outlook.com> wrote: > > > I would like to report theswavu for this edit Relation History: 13736691 > > | OpenStreetMap <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13736691/history > > > > he deleted a restriction I put there to prevent u-turning from the > service > > road. > > > > I'm not sure I understand what you think the problem is with this edit. The > road rules in South Australia allow you to do a u-turn around the end of a > median at an intersection provided that there is no sign prohibiting it or > traffic lights: > > https://www.approveddrivingschool.com.au/mastering-u-turns-3-point-turns/ > > There is no sign or traffic lights at this intersection so you are allowed > to do a u-turn, provided that you adhere to the other associated rules: > > https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=1365151817189473 > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20220503/e5bb1aac/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 22:18:15 +0000 > From: Anthony Panozzo <pan...@outlook.com> > To: "talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org" > <talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org> > Cc: OpenStreetMap <talk-au@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [talk-au] U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re: > Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 6) > Message-ID: > < > pr3p192mb09279d6fa3e2149215c9cb55cc...@pr3p192mb0927.eurp192.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Well this is the situation, TheSwavu is directly emailing me telling me it > is perfectly legal to do u-turns at intersections, lmao he doesn?t know the > laws, he doesn?t know the area, he cant be trusted to blindly click buttons > but so many people are arguing he is perfectly fine to go about his edits I > hope DWG see this Do you know the U-turn road rules? | samotor The RAA > Magazine< > https://samotor.raa.com.au/do-you-know-the-u-turn-road-rules/#:~:text=If%20you%E2%80%99ve%20seen%20a%20fellow%20driver%20doing%20a,you%20can%20perform%20this%20manoeuvre%20at%20this%20location. > > > > > > From: Andrew Davidson<mailto:thesw...@gmail.com <thesw...@gmail.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2022 7:31 AM > To: Anthony Panozzo<mailto:pan...@outlook.com <pan...@outlook.com>> > Cc: OpenStreetMap<mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org > <talk-au@openstreetmap.org>> > Subject: U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re: [talk-au] Talk-au > Digest, Vol 179, Issue 6) > > On Tue, 3 May 2022, 03:02 Anthony Panozzo, <pan...@outlook.com<mailto: > pan...@outlook.com>> wrote: > I would like to report theswavu for this edit Relation History: 13736691 > | OpenStreetMap<https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13736691/history> > he deleted a restriction I put there to prevent u-turning from the service > road. > > I'm not sure I understand what you think the problem is with this edit. > The road rules in South Australia allow you to do a u-turn around the end > of a median at an intersection provided that there is no sign prohibiting > it or traffic lights: > > https://www.approveddrivingschool.com.au/mastering-u-turns-3-point-turns/ > > There is no sign or traffic lights at this intersection so you are allowed > to do a u-turn, provided that you adhere to the other associated rules: > > https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=1365151817189473 > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20220502/27d80c8b/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 22:30:13 +0000 > From: Anthony Panozzo <pan...@outlook.com> > To: Andrew Davidson <thesw...@gmail.com>, "talk-au@openstreetmap.org" > <talk-au@openstreetmap.org> > Cc: OpenStreetMap <talk-au@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [talk-au] U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re: > Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 6) > Message-ID: > < > pr3p192mb092790d283dcddd9a624249dcc...@pr3p192mb0927.eurp192.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Well this is the situation, TheSwavu is directly emailing me telling me it > is perfectly legal to do u-turns at intersections, lmao he doesn?t know the > laws, he doesn?t know the area, he cant be trusted to blindly click buttons > but so many people are arguing he is perfectly fine to go about his edits I > hope DWG see this > Do you know the U-turn road rules? | samotor The RAA Magazine< > https://samotor.raa.com.au/do-you-know-the-u-turn-road-rules/#:~:text=If%20you%E2%80%99ve%20seen%20a%20fellow%20driver%20doing%20a,you%20can%20perform%20this%20manoeuvre%20at%20this%20location. > > > > And he didn?t even watch the video in the link he sent me either, this is > a complete joke, keep in mind you are arguing FOR this guy to keep going > about his edits freely with out question this blow my mind, you would > rather win an argument than care 1 bit about the map > > > > > From: Andrew Davidson <thesw...@gmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2022 7:30:50 AM > To: Anthony Panozzo <pan...@outlook.com> > Cc: OpenStreetMap <talk-au@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: U-turn rules in South Australia (Was Re: [talk-au] Talk-au > Digest, Vol 179, Issue 6) > > On Tue, 3 May 2022, 03:02 Anthony Panozzo, <pan...@outlook.com<mailto: > pan...@outlook.com>> wrote: > > I would like to report theswavu for this edit Relation History: 13736691 > | OpenStreetMap<https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13736691/history> > he deleted a restriction I put there to prevent u-turning from the service > road. > > I'm not sure I understand what you think the problem is with this edit. > The road rules in South Australia allow you to do a u-turn around the end > of a median at an intersection provided that there is no sign prohibiting > it or traffic lights: > > https://www.approveddrivingschool.com.au/mastering-u-turns-3-point-turns/ > > There is no sign or traffic lights at this intersection so you are allowed > to do a u-turn, provided that you adhere to the other associated rules: > > https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=1365151817189473 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20220502/18ffa8ab/attachment.htm > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 3A8F575BA32E4E80AC818D12FD5EFEAD.png > Type: image/png > Size: 144 bytes > Desc: 3A8F575BA32E4E80AC818D12FD5EFEAD.png > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20220502/18ffa8ab/attachment.png > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 11 > **************************************** > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20220502/52e610b4/attachment.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 12 > **************************************** > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20220502/87224474/attachment.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Talk-au Digest, Vol 179, Issue 13 > **************************************** > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >
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