Hi
I was able to talk to the Parks ranger for this park. He identified
himself as Patrick and I have his calling phone number which I would
share off list.
He identified himself as having deleted trails from Open Street Map.
But that does not necessarily mean they are the same trails that Mark
is reverting.
He was definite that the trails that he deleted did not exist on the
ground, not just that they were unauthorised or social or illegal.
I encouraged him to join the discussion here.
Tony
I?ve prepared a partial revert for Apsley Falls, ready for upload.
(Keeping the trail near the cliff, leaving the eastern non-visible
trail deleted)
The tags would return to what they were before NPWS deleted them.
highway=path
foot=yes
informal=yes
trail_visibilty=intermediate
surface=dirt
With additional tags:
hazard=cliff (not listed on the wiki, but there are 36 uses in Taginfo)
access=discouraged
note=access discouraged by NPWS
with a link in the changeset notes to
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Why_can%27t_I_delete_this_trail%3F +
mention of this discussion.
Any objections / changes before I go ahead?
Mark P.
On 18 Dec 2023, at 8:22?am, Graeme Fitzpatrick
<[email protected]> wrote:
So access=discouraged may be the best answer, possibly together
with a hazard= tag?
Incidentally, I never heard back from the NPWS bloke who wanted to
set-up an OSM liasion contact.
Thanks
Graeme
On Sun, 17 Dec 2023 at 20:02, Mark Pulley <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I?m not aware of any restriction regarding staying on marked
tracks only. The map on the sign at the start of the walk doesn?t
mention any restriction, and the National Parks web site doesn?t
mention any restrictions.
Mark P.
On 16 Dec 2023, at 1:32?pm, Andrew Harvey
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
If there is a general park notice "stay on marked tracks only"
combined with the "End of track" I would say that's sufficient to
imply you can't continue further and therefore access=no.
Without the general park notice but simply "End of track", to me
that just means it's the end of foot=designated, and further
tracks would be foot=yes and informal=yes, without any access=no.
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