NPWS have now contacted DWG again. I was in the process of responding to his comments, was up to ~10 paragraphs, then hit the wrong button in our DWG system & deleted the lot!!! :-(
That's well & truly enough for today so I'll try again (after trying to remember what I said!) tomorrow. Thanks Graeme On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 at 16:10, Andrew Welch via Talk-au < talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > I think it might also be important to state that OSM is a database, so if > consumers aren’t rendering tracks properly if tagged as such, the issue is > with them not us, and that what they are doing can be considered as > vandalism by mappers. We have ways to reflect the current state, and ensure > that mappers unaware of these discussions won’t go ahead and re-add the > trails. > > Thanks, > Andrew Welch > m...@andrewwelch.net > > > On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 at 3:45 pm, Mark Pulley <mrpul...@iinet.net.au> wrote: > >> I’ve just had another private message from Stephen Stenberg: >> >> I had replied privately: >> >> Prior to reversion, we had been discussing this for several months at the >> talk-au mailing list. I had delayed the reversion as I was of the >> understanding that someone from NPWS was about to join the discussion, but >> that did not eventuate. >> For reasons discussed on some of the previous changesets, and on the >> mailing list, there should be something present. I’ve added a comment to my >> changeset regarding a couple of suitable changes, and have sent a note back >> to the mailing list for further discussion. >> >> I had also added a comment to the most recent changeset. >> >> He has replied to me: >> >> I hope this message finds you well. Several months ago, you were informed >> about the decision to exclude certain paths near Apsley Falls Campground >> from OpenStreetMap. Despite clear communication from the NSW National Parks >> and Wildlife Service (NPWS) stating that these tracks, at their request, >> have been removed, it appears there is a persistent effort to reintroduce >> them. >> It is important to emphasize that these paths are situated on NPWS land, >> and as part of their management strategy, NPWS no longer wishes for these >> paths to be displayed. Reinstating these pathways not only contradicts NPWS >> wishes but also requires additional work hours from their end to rectify >> the situation. >> It is crucial to understand that NPWS has already dedicated resources to >> remove these paths, and by reapplying them, it creates unnecessary >> challenges. I urge you to respect NPWS’s decision and refrain from adding >> these paths back onto OpenStreetMap. >> Your cooperation in this matter is greatly appreciated and will >> contribute to the effective management of the area. >> Thank you for your understanding. >> >> I have replied back, requesting that he either make comments on the >> changeset, or discuss on the mailing list, rather than send private >> messages, as I don’t want to be passing messages back and forth. (Thanks >> to tonyf1 who has made the same suggestion on the changeset.) >> >> Mark P. >> >> On 20 Feb 2024, at 2:13 pm, Mark Pulley <mrpul...@iinet.net.au> wrote: >> >> I’ve just received a private message from Stephen Stenberg (who had >> deleted these last time): >> >> Contrary to your statement, the NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service >> has officially closed the track. >> “Reasons for reversion: This is still visible on the ground (checked by >> myself 30 November 2023) The track is not formally closed.” >> Kindly refrain from reinstating this track, as doing so will necessitate >> its removal once again by NPWS. >> >> So far the track hasn’t been deleted again. >> I had asked on one of the older changesets about whether this had been >> officially closed - didn’t get an answer to that, only "These tracks per >> our request have been removed. Please do not add them back on." >> It’s a shame that NPWS hadn’t bothered to join the discussion on here. >> I’ve added a comment to my reversion changeset, suggesting access=no >> (rather than deleting outright). Any relevant comments there are welcome! >> >> Mark P. >> >> On 13 Feb 2024, at 11:17 pm, Mark Pulley <mrpul...@iinet.net.au> wrote: >> >> Done. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/147406352 >> >> Mark P. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >
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