The international definition of highway=track seems a sensible definition to me and I see no reason why we should stick to another definition. But of course, I missed the long story. So I prefer to tag dirty, muddy cobblestone roads between farmland or asphalted forestry roads (like the one used as example on the wiki [1]) as tracks with tracktype grade1. Is unpaved <-> paved more objective? Whatever the criterium you use, there are always dubious cases. In the Ardennes there are many 'roads for mostly agricultural use' which have been asphalted once many years ago but have deteriorated considerably since. Are they still paved or not? I prefer track with tracktype grade1. A patchwork road which is still somewhat maintained is unclassified/residential. The question 'Do I want my car GPS to send me through this road or not?' also helps me in choosing in such cases between unclassified or track. And what do we do with the kind of road Guy mentioned with 2 concrete lanes? Is it a road or a track? Is a partly paved road a paved road or not? I'd prefer to map it as a track. One could even say that every road with a F99c sign is a 'road for mostly agricultural use' and should be a track, but that's perhaps a step too far for some people. Regards, StijnRR
[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tracktype From: Guy Vanvuchelen <[email protected]> To: 'OpenStreetMap Belgium' <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] tagging conventions Sorry maar als ik in het Engels zou proberen antwoorden verstaat waarschijnlijk niemand wat ik bedoel. Het is frustrerend om telkens opnieuw dingen te moeten wijzigen. Zo heb ik destijds in de wijde omgeving alle verharde wegen die gemapt waren als track, gewijzigd in unclassified. Ik veronderstelde dat die wegen inderdaad nog onverhard waren toen ze gemapt werden maar bij een verkaveling kregen ze twee betonstroken met daartussen (meestal) gras of gras in beton. Nu zie ik dat 'iemand' ze weer al track gemapt heeft....en zo blijven we bezig terwijl er nog zoveel nuttige dingen te doen zijn. Ook trackgrade is een mengelmoes van meningen. Maar ik vrees dat deze discutie ook weer geen uitsluitsel zal brengen. Guy Vanvuchelen -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Ben Laenen [mailto:[email protected]] Verzonden: dinsdag 22 december 2015 17:59 Aan: [email protected] Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk-be] tagging conventions I'm sure you can look through this mailing list's history and find all kinds of discussion about it in the past... Long story short: the unpaved thing was more or less the original usage, then it was changed in some other countries which was set as the international definition and in Belgium we didn't change it. Personally I think the difference unpaved <-> paved for track <-> other road types makes much more sense in Belgium, and also much more objective. Ben On Tuesday 22 December 2015 08:37:35 joost schouppe wrote: > Hi all, > > I was looking at this page: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Hig > hways > > And I saw only unpaved roads are supposed to be tagged as track. I've > been seeing quite a few rural roads which only allow agricultural > vehicles and only lead to fields. They look to me essentially as paved > tracks. In most of the world (i.e. outside of Europe) what the road is > used for trumps road quality when it comes to classification. > > Shouldn't this "Unpaved roads with traces of motor traffic or > accessible to motor traffic" be replaced by something like "Paths > which show use of occasional motor traffic, or are designed to do so > and that don't prohibit such use. Generally unpaved and used to access > forests or agricultural fields." _______________________________________________ Talk-be mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be _______________________________________________ Talk-be mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
_______________________________________________ Talk-be mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
