Looking at signs on the ground [8] and legislation [9], R50 classifies as a primary road and not as a trunk, because agricultural vehicles are allowed, whereas the F9 road sign inherently forbids agricultural vehicles.
[8] https://goo.gl/maps/ft7Mf85AuM42 [9] https://www.permisdeconduire-online.be/snelwegwet2.htm -----Original Message----- From: Marc Gemis [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 08:49 To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] [Tagging] Way access mismatch relation route=bicycle We had a similar discussion on the ring around Roeselare on the Riot/Matrix channel. Maybe it's time we rewrite the Belgian highway classification page to indicate that Nxxx & Rxxx are just indications for mapping and that traffic signs and road importance take precedence ? m On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 8:44 AM, OSMDoudou <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for the link. I hadn't discovered this page yet. > > On the other hand, the same page reads "Rx should also be tagged as > motorways". > > R0 Brussels, R1 Antwerp and R4 Ghent are tagged like that. > > But R24 Nivelles, R20 Brussels, R9 Charleroi are tagged as trunks. > > And R52 Tournai, R36 Kortrijk and R30 Brugge as primary. > > And parts of R23 Leuven are tagged as primary and some other even as > secondary. > > So, it seems nuance, interpretations and findings from the ground lead to > different tagging of R roads. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc Gemis [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 07:16 > To: OpenStreetMap Belgium <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] [Tagging] Way access mismatch relation > route=bicycle > > I think > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Hi > ghways gives the solution, there needs to be an F9 sign. If not, it is > a primary. > > regards > > m > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 10:24 AM, OSMDoudou > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Can you help with the B) part of the discussion ? >> >> What highway value is suitable for R50 ? >> >> Now that I discovered the local implicit characteristics thanks to >> the answer to question A), trunk is probably right, but I wanted to >> ask your views nonetheless. >> >> Thx. >> ________________________________ >> From: Volker Schmidt >> Sent: 18-01-18 09:39 >> To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools >> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Way access mismatch relation route=bicycle >> >> I suppose Osmose uses the country specific tables in [1] The table >> for Belgium states that bicycle=no is implicit for "highway=trunk". >> Hence the short way in question would need to have the additional tag >> "bicycle=yes" for bicycle routing to pass along that cycle lane. >> The road signs out there seem to be consistent, there are "no-bicycle" >> sign along the ring road, except for this short piece. >> >> Your second point regarding the road classification trunk is a >> different issue, that needs to be discussed with the Belgian community. >> >> [1] >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restr >> i >> ctions >> >> On 17 January 2018 at 22:45, OSMDoudou >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>> This is a two-fold question in fact. >>> >>> >>> >>> (A) >>> >>> >>> >>> Osmose raises error "Way access mismatch relation route=bicycle" [1] >>> on a segment of the R50 highway [2] [3]. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm guessing it's because the segment is part of relation for a bike >>> route but it's tagged as trunk (as the rest of R50), and a trunk >>> would imply a restriction for bicycles. >>> >>> >>> >>> Although, I see such an implication for motorways [4], I don't see >>> it for trunks [5]. >>> >>> >>> >>> Do you know what causes the access mismatch, because I don't see it >>> from the tags ? >>> >>> >>> >>> (B) >>> >>> >>> >>> This issue raises the question whether R50 should be tagged as trunk >>> in the first place. >>> >>> >>> >>> The Wiki page [6] refers to notions like "high performance" and road >>> signs F9. But the road is limited to 70 km/h and there are no F9 >>> signs on the entries and exits of R50, only C19 "No entry for >>> pedestrians" and C11 + C9 "No entry for bicycles" + "No entry for >>> mopeds (and mofas)", which tend to confirm it's not a trunk. >>> >>> >>> >>> I wonder if primary wouldn't be more accurate classification, >>> although the Wiki refers to a "highway linking large towns" [7], >>> which is not the case here as the highway is a ring around the city not a >>> road between cities. >>> >>> >>> >>> What type of road would you qualify the entire R50 ? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thx. >>> >>> >>> >>> [1] http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/error/15216104253 >>> >>> [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/251684307 >>> >>> [3] https://goo.gl/maps/khpwvm8kxQw >>> >>> [4] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dmotorway >>> >>> [5] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Trunk >>> >>> [6] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_Belgium >>> >>> [7] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dprimary >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-be mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be >> > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-be mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-be mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be _______________________________________________ Talk-be mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be _______________________________________________ Talk-be mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
