Hi,
It sounds fine for me.
On 2019-09-10 7:54 a.m., john whelan wrote:
Looks good to me and if Matthew has cast his eye over it and not
spotted anything major then I think we can safely say Ottawa is
happy with it.
Cheerio John
On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 9:57 PM Pierre Béland via Talk-ca,
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Cela semble bien préciser, mais les collègues d'Ontario pourront
mieux répondre.
Pierre
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Le lun., sept. 9 2019 à 3:11 PM, Jarek Piórkowski
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit :
Hi Pierre,
(I responded via email at first, but realized one more thing, so
adding on and sending to talk-ca:)
The proposed wiki addition does start with "In Ontario". However
thanks bringing this up, as I realized I forgot to account
for parts
of Ontario where streets will be named in French - this
change should
not apply to those.
I am changing the suggested wording to:
In parts of **Ontario** that primarily name streets in
English,
street and road names containing initial "St." or "St"
should only be
expanded to "Saint" when "Saint" is common usage for that
street. To
be clear, this overrides the general rule
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Abbreviation_.28don.27t_do_it.29
for "St." which does not stand for "street". As with other
names in
OSM, factors you might want to consider when determining
common usage
include spellings posted on street signs ("on the ground" rule),
spellings used in local media, GeoBase street name data, and
spellings
used by official municipal sources including open data
datasets. See
discussion on talk-ca [0].
Would this wording be fine for Ottawa and other bilingual
areas, or am
I missing a pitfall?
Thanks,
--Jarek
On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 at 08:51, Pierre Béland
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> Marek
>
> Ces instructions ne s'appliquent pas à toutes les
provinces. Il faudrait donc indiquer sur la page wiki à
quelles provinces elles s'appliquent
>
> Pierre
>
> Envoyé à partir de Yahoo Courriel sur Android
>
> Le lun., sept. 9 2019 à 2:51 AM, Jarek Piórkowski
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit :
> Hello,
>
> I'm following up on the thread about saints and lack
thereof in street
> names from a couple of months ago (see archives [1] [2]).
>
> I would like to suggest the following wording added to
Canadian
> tagging guidelines at
>
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canadian_tagging_guidelines#Street_names
> :
>
> In Ontario, street and road names containing initial
"St." or "St"
> should only be expanded to "Saint" when "Saint" is common
usage for
> that street. To be clear, this overrides the general rule
>
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names#Abbreviation_.28don.27t_do_it.29
> for "St." which does not stand for "street". As with other
names in
> OSM, factors you might want to consider when determining
common usage
> include spellings posted on street signs ("on the ground"
rule),
> spellings used in local media, GeoBase street name data,
and spellings
> used by official municipal sources including open data
datasets. See
> discussion on talk-ca [0].
>
> where [0] would be a link to this message/thread archive.
(Comments on
> the wording and suggestions appreciated!)
>
> Is anyone opposed to this change?
>
> I have attempted to advertise/announce this proposed
change. This was:
> - posted in this mailing list in March/April of this year
(some quoted
> below, see list archives for more discussion)
> - I posted a note
https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1741334 in
> Toronto with a link to this thread (supportive responses
from Kevo and
> DannyMcD)
> - on April 10, sent a message [2] with a link to the note
to editors
> who were showing up as top editors on
> http://osmstats.neis-one.org/?item=countries&country=Canada
> (they aren't necessarily representative of the community,
but it's
> really the closest we can reasonably do given our current
tooling) [3]
> (no private message responses)
> - posted on OSM Canada Slack on 17 August
> https://osm-ca.slack.com/archives/CASP8UQNT/p1566053199044200
> (supportive responses from Matthew Darwin and Eric Geiler)
> - on August 27, sent a few more private messages to
editors in top 50
> on the stats page who had done Ontario edits [4] (no
private message
> responses)
>
> If you know of anyone else who might have a further
opinion on this,
> please forward as possible.
>
> Thanks,
> --Jarek
>
>
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