Maybe the issue is that in ID and I assume that is the Canadian default value, the bicycle access tag is left undefined. Why isn’t that tag defaulted to no as it is for cars ? Then an explicit yes tag can be added only to the odd place where cycling on a sidewalk is allowed. We are talking routing engines here, not the kid that plays on the street.
> On Apr 3, 2020, at 10:46, Nate Wessel <bike...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Which routing engines are causing problems exactly? Routing a bicycle on a > sidewalk may be appropriate/reasonable in some cases and over short distances > where one could be instructed to dismount and walk. I'd be interested to see > some of the problematic routes that are being suggested to see if there isn't > a more elegant way of resolving this. > > I personally only use explicit access tags where there is clear signage > indicating some type of special access restriction. Otherwise the default > should be assumed. Routing engines should be able to accommodate region > differences in default values without needing to manually tag millions of > ways. Whether they can or do allow that is a problem for the people > developing the routing engines. > > Nate Wessel, PhD > Planner, Cartographer, Transport Nerd > NateWessel.com <https://www.natewessel.com/> > On 2020-04-03 10:39 a.m., John Whelan wrote: >> I'd recommend bicycle=no and I live in Ottawa. In Ottawa footpaths that >> connect in general are bicycle=yes as they come under municipal regulation >> but a sidewalk on a highway comes under provincial legislation which bans >> bicycles on sidewalks. Sparks street is fun I think you are not permitted >> to ride your bicycle but I'm unsure if this is provincial, municipal or it >> might even be NCC which is federal of course. >> >> In the UK they are banned by law but in certain cities the Chief Constable >> has stated the law will not be enforced within the police force boundaries >> as a letter of interpretation. It might be nice for Ottawa to do the same >> sometime but there again we have City of Ottawa police, OPP, RCMP and of >> course the PPS. >> >> Cheerio John >> >> James wrote on 2020-04-03 10:25 AM: >>> I don't think it's more tagging for the renderer as much as it's being more >>> specific(more data) to specify a abstract view: without knowledge of >>> Canadian/Provincial/Municipal laws about biking on sidewalks. >>> >>> I think Montreal and Gatineau are more enforced as Ottawa it is illegal to >>> bike on the sidewalk, but people are still doing it, but that's beside the >>> point. >>> >>> On Fri., Apr. 3, 2020, 10:18 a.m. Pierre-Léo Bourbonnais via Talk-ca, >>> <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org>> wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>> I would like to start a discussion on how we should deal with sidewalks >>> tagged separately, like it is is done in downtown Ottawa and like we are >>> starting to do in the Montreal region. >>> >>> The issue is that by default highway=footway with or without >>> footway=sidewalk should have an implicit bicycle=no by default according to >>> this page: >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access_restrictions >>> >>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access_restrictions> >>> >>> However, some osm users told me I should tag them with bicycle=no >>> everywhere because routing engines use sidewalks for bicycle routing which >>> is illegal in most part of Canada. >>> >>> What are your thoughts on this ? Should we adapt to routing engines or >>> should routing engines fix the issue themselves? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-ca mailing list >>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-ca mailing list >>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca> >> >> -- >> Sent from Postbox <https://www.postbox-inc.com/> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca> > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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