Your tools are really cool from technical perspective, but have you ever discussed it fully with the local community, so the stategy is agreed? I see link in the wiki page to some forum, but this is not a local community forum, it is Russian forum and it is even in a language what a lot of younger generation does not understand. It is just as absurd as if we would start to discuss in Estonian how to map say New York, agree some strategies and then assume that it is ok to garbage the map there. I really hope you don't consider Estonia somehow as a part of Russia.
My position is that in early years of OSM automatic imports of map for regions what you don’t know made some sense, but now they do more harm - create map data what is not maintained and not maintainable. Kind of digital garbage. Is is much better map less, more carefully, and avoid senseless copy of other map data. Again, if someone needs Maaamet maps then they should take the latest version from them anytime. There is no need to copy if over to OSM at all. OSM is never meant to be collection of different geo datasets, even if they are really nice, it is human-created original global map database. Now if you decide to do it, then the editors must be identified. There is process on agreeing on legal contributor terms of edits, including right to take back the agreement. If you put all edits under your own name, then anyone can claim that you did not do the edits, and can request to just undo all of them. It looks like complete legal mess there from IP perspective. Also there is no way to ask comments/clarifications about specific edits. Therefore proper way to do it would be like with editors like ID, JOSM etc - every user is identified with OSM username, takes responsibility for his/her edits, so it is clear who to contact and who is responsible for this. I did several mass-imports in early OSM days myself, after discussions with local and international community. They looked nice at once, but in longer term maybe it was even bad idea, there would be more motivated contributors, and the map would be more useful and interesting without them. There is still “dead” data what noone can update (from Corine for example), and I would be more happy if someone would create a tool to automatically delete it now. Jaak > On 4 Aug 2019, at 14:26, SviMik <[email protected]> wrote: > > For everyone who is new here, this is exactly the same import we did 5 years > ago, just updating it with new data. > > The import is briefly described on the wiki page: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Maa-amet#Import > > 1. The account for the imports is: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SviMik_import/history > > 2. Why do you need streets? I'm just asking to confirm putting that address > on that outline. All you need to do is just make sure they match. > > > Воскресенье, 4 августа 2019, 13:16 +03:00 от "Jaak Laineste" > <[email protected]>: >> >> Hi, >> >> About first 2 tools: >> >> 1. what they do as result exactly? add data to OSM database? If yes, then >> under which username? I don’t see any auth here, is feels like “anonymous >> editor”, but OSM does not allow anonymous edits. >> >> 2. about second one - map view is too much zoomed in, usually I don’t see any >> streets to see the context, so it is really like filling random captchas >> without any real check. >> >> >> In general I miss here location filters, I want only work with my home >> city/village what I know about. Generally “guerilla mapping” where you jump >> in >> to a random place you really know nothing about is not generating good map >> quality in long term at all, and this not suggested. If you map something, >> then you will be responsible for the data and you need to be sure that it >> will >> be also up-to-date in years to come. Especially if you do random map copy, in >> principle here we just copy maa-amet map which does not give much value, >> everyone could just use maaamet vector map data, this is openly shared also. >> Remote mapping is suggested only for exceptional cases, e.g. in emergencies >> (HOT actions) where you need quickly map and cannot go to the place. >> >> But the tools can be very useful - I would use them for my known, usually >> quite small specific regions like city or village. I can do ground work and >> will maintain my edits later, and I cannot do it if mapping area is whole >> country. >> >> >> Jaak >> >> >> >> >>> On 3 Aug 2019, at 17:38, SviMik via Talk-ee <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> And it needs your help! >>> There's many new buildings that were built during the last 5 years. Let's >> bring the map up to date. >>> >>> - To import brand new buildings, visit this page: >>> http://osm.svimik.com/btrace_verify.php >>> Just click OK making sure there's no building in OSM already by looking at >> the map in the middle. >>> >>> - Some buildings were drawn by other users, but they didn't put an address. >> Visit this page to help add addresses to existing buildings: >>> http://osm.svimik.com/xgis2osm.php?lang=en >>> Just enter the house numbers from the pictures like a captcha solving. >>> >>> - Like to map roads? The 'Missing roads' validator is back to life too! >>> http://osm.svimik.com/noroad.php >>> It shows all the places where a building exists, but there's no roads around >> to get there. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-ee mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ee >> >> > > > -- > Svjatoslav Mikhailov _______________________________________________ Talk-ee mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ee
