Hi Has anyone tried to obtain the Definitive Statements from Derbyshire or Staffordshire County Councils in electronic format?
The Derbyshire website just talks about arranging a visit to see the document. Regards Dudley > Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 18:04:39 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Using rights of way data > > On 28 April 2013 12:06, Will Phillips <[email protected]> wrote: > > I notice rights of way data from a number of county councils is > > available on the rowmaps.com site. It is stated that this is available > > under the 'Ordnance Survey OpenData licence'. Is there any consensus > > over whether it is considered permissible to use this data in OSM? > > > > I've been working on the understanding that OGL licensed data is > > acceptable (I always tag the source). But I am unclear on the current > > position regarding the Ordnance Survey OpenData licence. > > The OS OpenData Licence adds some additional obligations concerning > downstream attribution that are not present in the Open Government > Licence (OGL). My view is that these additional obligations make the > OS OpenData Licence forwards incompatible with the ODbL+DbCL licence > that OSM uses. But not everyone agrees with this view, and OS > themselves have given indications to the contrary in the past. > However, the most recent definitive statement from OS that I am aware > of appears to say that OS's view is that the OS OpenData Licence is > not forwards compatible with the ODbL+DbCL. For details see > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Licensing/Ordnance_Survey_OpenData_License > and http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/os-open-data.html > > The traditional position of OSM is to be cautious over copyright. So > without any legal certainty in the interpretation of the terms, and > with the licence owner now stating that the license is incompatible, I > think there is no way we can use OS OpenData Licensed content in OSM > -- unless we additionally obtain the explicit consent of the copyright > holder(s). This is of course rather unsatisfactory, given then amount > of Local Government data that is starting to be released under the OS > OpenData Licence. Rob Nickerson and myself have tried to raise this > problem with the Office of Public Sector Information and the Open Data > User Group -- see the request at > http://data.gov.uk/data-requests/all-datasets-available-under-the-os-opendata-licence-ordnance-survey > , but so far we haven't had any success. > > There is, however, one set of OS OpenData Licensed data that we can > use in OSM, and that is the OS OpenData products themselves. Here OS > have given us special permission (at the request of LWG) to make use > of OS OpenData (with the exception of CodePoint Open) in OSM. See > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_Opendata > > At the moment, if we want to make use of the GIS Public Rights of Way > data that Local Authorities are releasing, I think we would need to > get explicit permission from OS, and also permission from each Local > Authority -- since both have IP rights in the data. This will be a > real pain, not least because the Local Authorities are unlikely to > appreciate the legal issues or want to go to the trouble/expense of > getting their legal people involved. > > On the brighter side, there is one Rights of Way document that we can > get to use in OSM, which avoids any OS IP issues. That document is the > "Definitive Statement" -- a list of Rights of Way (with route > descriptions) that each Local Authority is legally required to > maintain. The route descriptions are variable, depending on the > Authority, so some may be more use than others for OSM mapping. For > some advice of how to get hold of this document and request permission > to use it in OSM, see > http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/prow/council-docs.html . > > Robert. > http://robert.mathmos.net/ > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Robert%20Whittaker > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
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