And received the following clarification...
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Yes of course if should have gone to lists (its a while since I used the
gmail client, which I dislike).
Tagging for the renderer is very important, and pushing things in so they
get rendered has a serious deleterious affect on the data. I use OSM data
as data: when someone degrades the meaning by overloading a tag, this can
mean that all of the data become useless. landuse=grass for farmland is a
classic example: it is now impossible to get useful landuse figures or maps
out of OSM.
As for Parcel Force yes I'd use parcel_depot, as I would for British Rail
Red Star parcels if they still existed!
As for adding depot to the renderer, I think I agree with Robert its
unlikely to clash with other icons and completes existing information. Mind
you showing doctors is rather more important. A more significant thing
would be to add this to Nominatim which would enable people to find such
things without them being rendered.
By all means copy back to list.
On 17 January 2014 10:41, John Aldridge <[email protected]> wrote:
> [[ Did you mean to email me privately, rather than the list? Should I copy
> this email to the list? ]]
>
>
>
> On 17/01/2014 09:48, SK53 wrote:
>
>> First of all don't go by definitions on the wiki. The consensus tag (at
>> least in UK) is amenity=post_depot.
>>
>> Second, we have the perfectly reasonably tag post_depot to distinguish
>> these things.
>>
>
> OK, I'll take your word for it, but is there any chance of getting this
> consensus documented somewhere, then, perhaps on
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Tagging_Guidelines
>
> which would have saved me starting the thread :)
>
>
>
> Third, DONT TAG FOR THE RENDERER. Just because you cant see them on the
>> OSM front page does not mean that you cant search for them. These are
>> truly different things. Locating delivery offices is not always easy,
>> they are often in some obscure parts of an industrial estate. I actually
>> mapped a local one because my father had tried to find it and failed.
>> They need to be distinguished, if they are just tagged post office they
>> disappear in the noise of real post offices.
>>
>
> No need to shout :)
>
> I'm trying to distinguish between tagging for the current renderer (which
> is obviously wrong), and tagging in a way which is never going to be
> rendered (which, at least for concrete things like this, is pointless!)
>
> I'm delighted (if a little surprised, given the Wiki) that Robert
> Whittaker thinks that a patch to render post_depot objects would be
> accepted by the renderer team. If so, I'm disappointed that, given there's
> a consensus around using that tag, that hasn't been done already.
>
> The fact is that the renderer on openstreetmap.org *is* OpenStreetMap for
> most people, and it's crucial that it be kept up to date with best mapping
> practices.
>
>
>
> As for DHL, CityLink etc, this is a more involved problem, particularly
>> as the Royal Mail is now not necessarily a universal service provider.
>> However, I think some other tag should be used for these distinct from
>> post_office and post_depot. parcel_depot or parcel_office come
>> immediately to mind.
>>
>
> I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but could you expand on why? Is it just
> that there's still a broad cultural belief that Post Office Ltd post
> offices are special, even though there's little actual difference left?
>
> What about Parcelforce depots (Parcelforce is part of the Postal Services
> Holding Company plc, along with Post Office Ltd and Royal Mail itself):
> should their depots be amenity=post_office, or would you suggest
> parcel_depot for them too?
>
> --
> Cheers,
> John
>
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