That sounds like great news, Owen. Thanks for your help!
Colin
On 2019-08-21 15:10, Owen Boswarva wrote:
> OSNI have said in a Twitter discussion today that they will remove the link
> to the LPS licence, to make it clear that normal OGL terms apply to this
> data:
>
> https://twitter.com/owenboswarva/status/1164159795622043648
>
> If you source the NI administrative boundaries from the Open Data NI site
> (instead of the OSNI site) it already says the plain OGL applies, e.g.
> https://www.opendatani.gov.uk/dataset/osni-open-data-largescale-boundaries-county-boundaries1
>
>
> Owen
>
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 21:16, SK53 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> This query would actually be better directed at talk-ie as the Irish OSM
> local chapter have been having discussions with OSNI (and OSI).
>
> However, I think it's safe to say that the relevant licence is not (yet)
> compatible with OSM: I did briefly discuss this point with one of the Open
> Data NI people who organised OpenData Camp #5 in Belfast, and she was
> certainly of the view that OSNI data (or any LPS data) was not very open.
> Many of these datasets would be very useful, for instance there is a point
> data set of streetnames (e.g., when the name of this bit [1] of street was
> being questioned, or just to do streetnames which are perhaps 10% completed).
>
> It is for this reason why there are no local authority boundaries in NI.
> However, at some point I used FHRS data to produce concave hulls which would
> be a first approximation (and no worse than things like the Limerick boundary
> 3-4 years ago). Also KDDA has some open data for the old Fermanagh district
> (on umap here [2]) which may assist in working out the boundaries (as will
> townland and other boundaries). But do check with talk-ie before leaping in.
>
> At one point maps.openstreetmap.ie [3] had a number of overlay layers sourced
> from the OSI/OSNI data, but I think these never got restored after the server
> move. I used OSNI townland boundaries to compare with OSM ones back in 2015.
>
> Jerry
>
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 18:42, Colin Smale <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Has anyone investigated if the data covering Northern Ireland which OSNI make
> available under OGL V3, is licence-compatible with OSM in the same way as the
> OSGB open data? I am particularly interested in admin boundaries, e.g.
> http://osni-spatial-ni.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/a55726475f1b460c927d1816ffde6c72_2
>
>
> The website says: "Open Government Data Licence applies. Land & Property
> Services (LPS) has made a number of Ordnance Survey of Northern Ireland(R)
> (OSNI(R)) branded datasets available free of charge under the terms of the
> current Open Government Licence (OGL). These datasets - which include raster
> and vector mapping, boundary, gazetteer, height, street and townland products
> - are available for download. Each dataset is clearly marked with the OGL
> symbol. The OGL allows you to: copy, distribute and transmit the data; adapt
> the data; and exploit the data commercially, whether by sub-licensing it,
> combining it with other data, or including it in your own product or
> application. You are therefore able to use the LPS datasets in any way and
> for any purpose. We simply ask that you acknowledge the copyright and the
> source of the data by including the following attribution statement: Contains
> LPS Intellectual Property (c) Crown copyright and database right (year) This
> information is
licensed under the terms of the Open Government Licence
(http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3). You
must also: include the same acknowledgement requirement in any sub-licences of
the data that you grant, and a requirement that any further sub-licences do the
same; ensure that you do not use the data in a way that suggests LPS endorses
you or your use of the data; and make sure you do not misrepresent the data or
its source. N.B. Any dataset that does not expressly state that it has been
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[1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/392283077
[2]
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/fermanagh-road-signs_290510#9/54.3614/-7.5142
[3] http://maps.openstreetmap.ie
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