Hi Dave F >From my own hour-long chat with a local volunteer manager I inferred two reasons for steering clear of OSM: - Unreliable, as you inferred. - Exposes Sustrans to risk. I wonder if that may be their response to anything they don't closely control.
I asked whether there was an agreement with OS and was told they have an agreement to have the NCN listed as a layer on OS mapping (see here <https://osmaps.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/ncn>). "If you want to use their more detailed mapping you pay a subscription but the NCN is mapped just the same." Who knows if this is a financial agreement, and if so in which direction the money flows. I'll keep plugging away at that one. (By the by, this may possibly be connected with Sustrans' recent move to ArcGiS?) Sustrans appear to have moved the NCN routes off their own site altogether (perhaps not news to you), and link directly to osmaps.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/ncn. The behaviour is pretty horrible - eg, can't cope with more than one NCN/LCN route on a given stretch of road, which the OpenCycleMap layer does very nicely. OTOH there's a link to a route description and to buy the Sustrans paper map. I've no experience of these. I'm sure I'll revert to this topic soon enough. Meanwhile any further comments gladly received. Edward On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 at 12:06, Dave F via Talk-GB <talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > (Could you please ensure replies are sent to the forum. Thanks) > > Roughly upto around 3-4 years ago, which is why I'm uncertain if a > sponsorship arrangement is in place. > > DaveF > > On 10/10/2019 07:41, Edward Bainton wrote: > > Thanks for that. > > > > I will ask re any formal sponsorship etc > > > > May I ask how long ago it is that you were in discussion with them? > > On 10 Oct 2019 00:26, "Dave F via Talk-GB" <talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> > > wrote: > > > >> I've had the occasional limited discussions on social media. Arguments > >> against using OSM fall into > >> > >> 1. Claim of no cost to use OS data as it's via local authority > licensing. > >> Unsure if it's all LAs > >> 2. They "wanted to use mapping that had 100% reliable data for the users > >> benefit." > >> 3. Mild resentment at being informed they may not be using the best > >> solution. > >> > >> Can you check if they have a sponsorship agreement with OS? > >> > >> DaveF > >> > >> On 09/10/2019 17:31, Edward Bainton wrote: > >> > >> Hi all > >> > >> I'm meeting the local Sustrans office next week as they've asked me to > >> compile a 'map' of the NCN mileposts in my area (I think they really > mean > >> an inventory with locator maps). > >> > >> Obviously I'll be using OSM, and trying to get them to see the benefits > of > >> doing the same. OSM seems to be largely unknown in the local office. > >> > >> 1. Does anyone know *any history of engaging with Sustrans*, to inform > my > >> lobbying? > >> There's mention on the wiki< > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_National_Cycle_Network#Tagging_information> > < > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_National_Cycle_Network#Tagging_information > > > >> of > >> them making milepost locations available for mapping - but that's a long > >> time ago now. > >> > >> 2. Here's a sample page< > https://www.dropbox.com/s/c3d686qnu77t0mz/Millennium%20milepost%20Compilation.doc.pdf?dl=0> > < > https://www.dropbox.com/s/c3d686qnu77t0mz/Millennium%20milepost%20Compilation.doc.pdf?dl=0 > > > >> of what they sent me as a precedent. > >> *Any suggestions for how to leverage OSM's capabilities to improve it?* > >> I ask as a non-techie. My own thoughts: put it online & wikify; 'live' > >> locator maps updating as OSM changes; filterable by NCN route. > >> > >> Thanks as ever > >> > >> Edward / eteb3 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Talk-GB mailing listTalk-GB@openstreetmap.orghttps:// > lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Talk-GB mailing list > >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >
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