Personally I'd prefer retaining confectionery & perhaps using some kind of sub-tag for the chocolate bit: although chocolate only/dominated shops are much commoner than some other kinds of sweet shop.
There's a trade-off between overly general & overly specific tags which is sometimes difficult to judge. OSM-Nottingham <http://osm-nottingham.org.uk/?z=13&lon=-1.14232&lat=52.95908&bgl=OSM,1,15&l=fooddrink&lh=Drinks;Otherfood;Healthfoods;Farmshops;Bakers;Fishmongers;Butchers;Greengrocers;Delicatessens;Conveniencestores;Supermarkets> lumps cake & sweet shops together (many have a café too). A quick look through shows that 'indian' (South Asian) sweet shops is a pretty common sub-category, and there are a still a few pick-and-mix places too. This suggests sub-tagging would be useful in other situations (chocolate/pick_and_mix/south_asian/etc), see taginfo <https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/confectionery> for current values. There's always been some overlap between cake shops & bakeries (Birds the Confectioners being a classic East Midlands example), but shop=patisserie, shop=cake & shop=sweet have never had much traction. There seems no good reason to separate out chocolate shops from other types which have equally valid reasons to be distinguished, and doing so may encourage a fissiparous tagging tendency. Note that there will tend to be regional & cultural differences in styles of confectionery & the shops (I've always been a bit puzzled how to tag the little places with "Regalos Dulces" above the door in Spain), and in an ideal world we keep tags which work best across cultures. Jerry On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 13:28, Paul Berry <pmberry2...@gmail.com> wrote: > Continuing with the Hotel Chocolat example, it could well be the case that > most are tagged with shop=confectionery because that was the nearest-fit > tag that was suggested when each was initially mapped. If the more precise > tag of shop=chocolate is now available we should make adjustments so that > iD suggests this as an "upgrade" the next time someone is making an edit in > or around one of them. Some of their shops offer a cafe/restaurant service > as well, which should be suggested as a second tier of tags. > > Yours chocolatey, > *Paul* > > On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 10:14, Jez Nicholson <jez.nichol...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> AFAIK 'The Range' has not got an entry. You can enter it in the Tag Text >> field with/without 'gb' in the Country Code on https://nsi.guide >> >> To me, the big question is: how do we adequately consult the community so >> that we feel that the GB entries are appropriate? >> >> Depending on github/dev abilities individuals can either create their own >> fork/pull request. We also have an OSMUK fork that group work could be done >> on. Or evidence could be added to >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Retail_chains_in_the_United_Kingdom and >> Talk-GB can be consulted...a number of things are possible. But ultimately, >> I would like "the community" to feel that the changes are ours. >> >> There are a number of minor decisions involved, e.g. is Hotel Chocolat >> a shop=confectionery or the newer shop=chocolate. Overpass Turbo says 50 >> the former, 13 the latter. Retail_chains_in_the_United_Kingdom >> says shop=confectionery so that is what the NSI says. >> >> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 7:38 PM Gareth L <o...@live.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> Curious as to what is selected for branches of The Range. That was >>> recently highlighted as being tricky to categorise. >>> >>> Gareth >>> >>> > On 6 Nov 2019, at 07:51, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) < >>> robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 at 08:24, Jez Nicholson <jez.nichol...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >> I was wondering how iD (and Vespucci) decides what to offer as brands >>> when I create a new feature, or when it suggests something like "Ibis looks >>> like a brand with incomplete tags". The answer is the >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Name_Suggestion_Index (NSI) ...now >>> detailed on a wiki page that I created. >>> >> >>> >> The NSI is a github repository, so updates and editions can be >>> suggested. This can be done via your own fork or on the OSMUK fork. I'm not >>> sure what will work best for us yet. >>> > >>> > I stumbled across the NSI myself a couple of months ago, while looking >>> > to add brand tags to shops in my local area though iD. I've been >>> > collecting a list of missing UK brands (or at least ones that iD >>> > didn't suggest) and also some potential errors (e.g. where it's >>> > assumed all shops of a certain brand have a specific shop tag, when in >>> > reality there can be some variation in the types of outlets). What I >>> > haven't looked into yet is the mechanics of how to suggest >>> > adding/correcting entries and what other info is needed for each one. >>> > (Submitting github issues and pull requests for each individual brand >>> > seems like a lot of effort on the face of it -- but maybe that's what >>> > you need to do.) >>> > >>> > In case anyone is interested in adding these, or providing details of >>> > how to do it, here's the list of missing brands that I've collected so >>> > far (some may have been added since I started collecting): >>> > >>> > Animal (Clothes) >>> > Barnado's (charity) >>> > Bill's (retaurant) >>> > Bon Marché (clothes) >>> > Byron (restaurant/burgers) >>> > Café Rouge (restaurant) >>> > Card Factory (cards) >>> > Fred Olsen Travel (travel_agent) >>> > Hughes (electrical goods) >>> > Johnsons (dry_cleaning) >>> > Jones the Bootmaker (shoes) >>> > Mr. Shoes (shoes) >>> > Muffin Break (Cafe) >>> > Scrivens (optician) >>> > Timpson (key-cutting / shoe_repair) >>> > The Perfume Shop (perfumery) >>> > Topman / Topshop (clothes) >>> > TUI (travel_agency) >>> > William H Brown (estate_agent) >>> > YMCA (charity shop) >>> > Yours (clothes) >>> > >>> > And here are the one I think there are problems with: >>> > >>> > Greggs (allow amenity=cafe or shop=bakery or both) >>> > Clintons (should recognise shop=cards as well as shop=gift when >>> > suggesting 'upgrades' in iD) >>> > >>> > Best wishes, >>> > >>> > Robert. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Robert Whittaker >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Talk-GB mailing list >>> > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-GB mailing list >>> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >
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