Dear Jez, Gus Hoyt who was responsible at Refill UK (before being made redundant), for all partnerships was a vocal proponent of collaboration and open data.
Unfortunately, the Refill board has consistently voted to keep their data proprietary to support their revenue model based on paid partnerships and margins on Chilly bottles. On one hand, I am very impressed by the achievements Refill UK has made and their significant impact in combatting single-use plastic so I really hope them success. On the other hand, I think collaboration and open data is a better model for the creation and maintenance of a global network of water fountains and commercial establishments where anyone can refill their reusable water bottle without creating single-use waste. I will send out call notes next week. best regards, Stuart On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 11:37, Jez Nicholson <[email protected]> wrote: > It will be interesting to hear about Refill UK's policy on Open Data. > Perhaps they believe that their business model is inoperable if the data is > open? > > I believe that they are a figurehead project from Ordnance Survey's > Geovation scheme. I hope that they haven't tainted their data. > > On Fri, 13 Mar 2020, 10:55 European Water Project, < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I am due to have a call Tuesday morning (17/3) with Rebecca Burgess, CEO >>> of Refill UK (https://refill.org.uk/ ) and the parent organisation >>> City to Sea( https://www.citytosea.org.uk/ ) . This is one of many >>> calls I have had with Refill. >>> >>> The Refill board's reluctance to share/license water refill data openly >>> is very unfortunate. Refill requires all partners to exclusively sell >>> Chilly water bottles and only use their application. I hope we can >>> convince Refill to reconsider. >>> >> >> >>> Building a global open database of water refill points would be >>> beneficial to all - resulting in a larger and better maintained network and >>> less single-use plastic ! >>> >> >>> >>> *From:* Gareth L <[email protected]> >>> *Date:* 12 March 2020 at 12:36:14 CET >>> *To:* Jake Edmonds <[email protected]> >>> *Cc:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* *Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - >>> drink_water:refill* >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Jake, >>> >>> Thanks for posting about this. I’m due to post on the Osm-uk loomio >>> asking for suggestions on what the Q2 project should be. Are you aware of >>> any other viable sources of data beyond an in person survey? >>> I wonder why refill wouldn’t want to license their data. >>> >>> Gareth >>> >>> On 12 Mar 2020, at 11:27, Jake Edmonds via Talk-GB < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I understand there is an existing suggestion on the UK Quarterly >>> Project talk page about drinking water but I wanted to add my support now >>> that the drinking_water:refill proposal was approved. The tag is used to >>> indicate if the establishment participates in a water refill network. I >>> understand Refill.org.uk are unwilling to license their data. >>> >>> The drinking_water:refill tag is currently in use by the European Water >>> Project's website and priceless.zottelig.ch. In addition OsmAnd have >>> just added support according to their GitHub, I hope they will push an >>> update to their apps soon. >>> >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key%3Adrinking_water%3Arefill >>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:drinking_water:refill> >>> >>> >>> https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd-resources/commit/15f5c919d3ac25cc048c4f3e0a569f7981999f65 >>> >>> Many thanks >>> Jake >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-GB mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> >
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