>From the discussion, and looking elsewhere, I take it that your solicitor might get you off in court on a technicality, but that if you attempted the maneuver in real life you risk getting pulled by the police or crashed into by oncoming traffic. I wouldn't call that "allowed".
On Thu, Sep 26, 2024 at 11:58 AM Chris Pankhurst via Talk-GB < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Thank you for your very fast response to my questions. I appear to be > aligned with you that u-turn here is possible, not explicitly permitted, > but probably allowed with caution unless there is another sign e.g. > filtering sign on the green light. In this instance using Bing Streetside > and sensor derived traffic signs I see no additional restrictions on the > green light of the traffic lights to restrict a u-turn here. > Also, thank you for confirming that traffic rules pertaining to this and > other situations elsewhere in in GBR are very unlikely to be different and > would employ the same traffic signs for same/similar scenarios. > > Thanks again. > > Regards > > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Hughes <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2024 5:25 PM > To: Chris Pankhurst <[email protected]>; > [email protected] > Subject: Re: U-Turn guidance in London > > [You don't often get email from [email protected]. Learn why this is > important at https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification ] > > On 25/09/2024 21:44, Chris Pankhurst via Talk-GB wrote: > > > I am looking at a junction in London where I am not clear whether a > u-turn is allowed or not. The location the junction between Edgeware Road > and Praed Street and Chapel Street traveling from NW din a SE direction. > > There is straight ahead arrow on the right lane and there is no right > turn sign at the junction. Also there is no no u-turn sign there and OSM > does not have a No U Turn Relation on the approach way so implying u-turns > are allowed here. > > The question I have is can you make a u-turn on Edgeware Road to come > back on Edgeware road in a NW direction: from 51.5193824, -0.1691434 to > 51.5193073, -0.1692058 and hence OSM is correct? > > Absent a sign prohibiting it then it's probably allowed when there's a > full green on the lights. It's just possible all the greens have filter > arrows which might effectively prohibit it. > > I certainly wouldn't recommend it though - that kind of u-turn on a dual > carriageway at a junction is a fairly common thing in the US I think but > it's not something people will be expecting here and there's a good chance > the oncoming traffic will have green at the same time making it hard to do > in practice. > > > And a broader question is what signs, incl. road markings, have to be in > place for a u-turn to be prohibited. I have seen a number of conversations > on traffic forums but have not seen a conclusive answer and I understand > there are possible variables depending on the city, region, etc. > > I can't think of any reason why city or region would make any sort of > difference - traffic rules are the same everywhere and any local traffic > order prohibiting u-turns would have to be reflected in standard signage to > be effective. > > Tom > > -- > Tom Hughes ([email protected]) > http://compton.nu/ > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >
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