Taking data in small parts, hoping no one will complain is not the way
to do it. Get written permission to use the data in a way that is
compatible to OSM, or leave it alone.
--
Cheers, Chris
user: chillly
On 06/12/10 13:13, Andrei Klochko wrote:
Ok, finally someone that really knows the case! so. First, if it is
like that, then a proper authorization to use the timetables and
routes, one by one, granted by veolia, keolis and transdev would do
for a great amount of pt companies in france. Correct? I happen to
have contacted veolia's director of developpement and innovation, who,
verbally, i know, told me that no o'e would ever oppose me, at least
in veolia, for taking these timetables, one by one, from all
subsidiary transporters' sites. The same for routes. If i cannot trust
this kind of saying...then, who can i trust? For more technical
details, i will send you another email, as i'm still better in french
than in english, especially for such technical language... but thank
you for someone from french pt answering, at last!
Le lundi 6 décembre 2010, Jacques Lys<[email protected]> a écrit :
Hello,
I'm afraid you're wrong : Transit data are generally not freely available in France.You
should know that legally, PT are the responsibility of local authorities. In fact these
authorities entrust the operation of PT networks to companies which are often
subsidiaries of three major groups (Keolis, Transdev and Veolia ... soon 2 because
Transdev and Veolia are expected to merge!) through "Delegations de Service
Public" (Delegations of Public Service) concluded for a fixed period (often 10
years).
In fact, PT data are most often seen by agencies as being critical data they have to
protect while submitting tender for "Delegation de Service Public".
Contrary to what you seem to believe, nobody enjoys 'nice governmental jobs' in
French PT (almost all agencies are under common law...) and it's not by simple
jealousy that employees wanting to protect their jobs refuse to submit data!
Fortunately, for some time, the trend seems to be in setting PT data free : local
authorities are more and more seeing themselves as the PT data owners and some of them
are planning to make those data freely available to the public. That is what comes just
to be done in Rennes (Brittany), where the "Communauté d'Agglomération
Rennes-Métropole" recently proposed data in GTFS format
(http://www.nosdonnees.fr/package/donnees-transport-rennes-metropole).
The times they are a-Changin', even in France !
Cordialement.
Jacques LysOpenStreetMap Contributor IT Manager in a French Transit Agency
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