Hi, I'm watching this discussion from beginning, and I want to give you some point to your consideration.
OSM is map solution - I don't want to define what kind of solution (despite the content is developed by community). But OSM is a perfect base-platform for every geo-location based internet application. Not only trip planning but more. I agree with Michal: the ultimate goal of OSM is the mapping solution, but it mean also the data. But everyone of us have to separate this definition: to cartography data and thematic-related data, like transit. That's why we have Geoserver, OpenLayer, PostGIS and more. So, let's leave the OSM as a map, and don't mix the data. Use layer instead of copile everything in to Mapnik. For me, the problem lays in data management related issues like, data repository, lawfulness of data, data ownership etc. This issue arising specially for transit topics. Regards, Filip BTW, It's my first post on this group. I wanted to say Hello to community - currently from Dublin :) On 4 November 2010 20:43, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Talk-transit mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Talk-transit digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: public transport time tables (Micha? Borsuk) > 2. Re: Talk-transit Digest, Vol 23, Issue 2 (Wojciech Kulesza) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:37:43 +0100 > From: Micha? Borsuk <[email protected]> > To: "Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] public transport time tables > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]<gml-mgj%[email protected]> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On 4 November 2010 21:25, Sander Deryckere <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Sorry, I didn't want to attack you. > > > You didn't attack me, I must have an aggression problem if you took it this > way ;) Sorry if it sounded that way. > > > > > I know it's not easy to make a map, but I see a map making as an other > > project, next to OSM. > > > OK, then you simply should see that other project as "next to OSM, the > map-making project". It's all about the name and about who makes what. To > be > absolutely clear: I am not a street mapper, I map/maintain routes and stops > on the existing map. So I'm on your side, but OSM is OSM, not a > route-building application. That would be IMHO "creeping featurism". The > project seems already complicated to manage, let it stay slim. > > > > It's good that OSM has its own map, so mappers kan see their changes, but > > it's not OSM's core business. > > > Is it not? > > > > OSM is more than data for maps, it also has to provide data for routing > > software, like maxspeeds, forbidden turns ... I think a timetable would > be > > part of that. So there can be efficient routing software for public > > transport. > > > > I see it as an efficient lower layer for any the routing application out > there. But again, is there a need for a new one? > > > > > These are just my thoughts, I don't want to offend someone, I admire all > > people working on projects like this for free, be it map making, > > programming, mapping ... > > > > > Neither do we want to offend, but just in case you were new: my advice take > a look around. I've been here for a year, and I still consider myself > somewhat of a newbie. The very early realization that I made was that OSM > is > not a wikipedia of maps, it's a *way more complicated* project than has > existed (personal opinion disclaimer). I do share your optimisms about the > possible uses, what is brewing here is something incredible. If somebody > told me few years ago I'd be roaming the forests in my surroundings with my > telephone, and be able to return home from any given point, I'd not be able > to imagine how that'd work. But it does. > > > > regards, > > > also, > > > Sander > > > > > > > -- > Best regards, mit freundlichen Gr?ssen, meilleurs sentiments, Pozdrowienia, > > Micha? Borsuk > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-transit/attachments/20101104/29a0917c/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:42:58 +0100 > From: Wojciech Kulesza <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Talk-transit Digest, Vol 23, Issue 2 > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > goEuropa, based in Poland and with offices in Ireland also uses > opentripplanner engine to power its Iplaner.pl > > The tool is being used by Urban Transport Authority in Poznan at > www.ztm.poznan.pl/journey-planner/ > > It's developed in Flex/Flash and shows that opentripplanner is an excellent > tool, that is worth supporting. > > Regards, > Wojciech > > PS It's my first post on the group. Wanted to say hi to openstreetmap > community - as qlex i'm already trying to contribute to the map of Poznan > :) > > > > > On 4 November 2010 21:36, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Send Talk-transit mailing list submissions to > > [email protected] > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > [email protected] > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [email protected] > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Talk-transit digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: public transport time tables (Hillsman, Edward) > > 2. Re: public transport time tables (Sander Deryckere) > > 3. Re: public transport time tables (Alex McKee) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 16:20:11 -0400 > > From: "Hillsman, Edward" <[email protected]> > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] public transport time tables > > Message-ID: > > < > 5e720878f33d3244932503066fc93bf0240c406...@usfmail2.forest.usf.edu > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > OpenTripPlanner, an open-source project sponsored by a number of public > > transportation agencies, can link agency GTFS data with downloaded OSM > (or > > other) data to provide multimodal routing including schedule information > > pulled from the GTFS. It is based on GraphServer. It is still in > > development, but at least one transit agency in the consortium, TriMet of > > Portland, Oregon, is using the current version, and is hiring an intern > to > > help improve the OSM data in Portland. > > > > Edward L. Hillsman, Ph.D. > > Senior Research Associate > > Center for Urban Transportation Research > > University of South Florida > > 4202 Fowler Ave., CUT100 > > Tampa, FL 33620-5375 > > 813-974-2977 (tel) > > 813-974-5168 (fax) > > [email protected] > > http://www.cutr.usf.edu<blocked::http://www.cutr.usf.edu/> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-transit/attachments/20101104/630041b9/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:25:03 +0100 > > From: Sander Deryckere <[email protected]> > > To: "Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics" > > <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] public transport time tables > > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Sorry, I didn't want to attack you. I know it's not easy to make a map, > but > > I see a map making as an other project, next to OSM. It's good that OSM > has > > it's own map, so mappers kan see their changes, but it's not OSM's core > > business. OSM is more than data for maps, it also has to provide data for > > routing software, like maxspeeds, forbidden turns ... I think a timetable > > would be part of that. So there can be efficient routing software for > > public > > transport. > > > > These are just my thoughts, I don't want to offend someone, I admire all > > people working on projects like this for free, be it map making, > > programming, mapping ... > > > > regards, > > Sander > > > > 2010/11/4 Micha? Borsuk <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > On 4 November 2010 20:52, Sander Deryckere <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > >> @ Michal: I know about ?pnvkarte, but I keep mapping public transport > > >> routes. The ultimate goal is the data, maps and routes are good but > not > > >> necessary. > > >> > > > > > > The ultimate goal of OSM is the map, not the data. Feel free to do an > > > overlay website, but are you sure what you're getting into? Good luck. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Best regards, mit freundlichen Gr?ssen, meilleurs sentiments, > > Pozdrowienia, > > > > > > > > > Micha? Borsuk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Talk-transit mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-transit/attachments/20101104/ab7d8e23/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 20:36:28 +0000 > > From: Alex McKee <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] public transport time tables > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > > > Very rarely reply to this list but I have to absolutely agree with you. > > OSM is a data project far, far more than a cartography or neogeography > > project. > > > > On 04/11/2010 20:25, Sander Deryckere wrote: > > > Sorry, I didn't want to attack you. I know it's not easy to make a > > > map, but I see a map making as an other project, next to OSM. It's > > > good that OSM has it's own map, so mappers kan see their changes, but > > > it's not OSM's core business. OSM is more than data for maps, it also > > > has to provide data for routing software, like maxspeeds, forbidden > > > turns ... I think a timetable would be part of that. So there can be > > > efficient routing software for public transport. > > > > > > These are just my thoughts, I don't want to offend someone, I admire > > > all people working on projects like this for free, be it map making, > > > programming, mapping ... > > > > > > regards, > > > Sander > > > > > > 2010/11/4 Micha? Borsuk <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4 November 2010 20:52, Sander Deryckere <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > @ Michal: I know about ?pnvkarte, but I keep mapping public > > > transport routes. The ultimate goal is the data, maps and > > > routes are good but not necessary. > > > > > > > > > The ultimate goal of OSM is the map, not the data. Feel free to do > > > an overlay website, but are you sure what you're getting into? > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Best regards, mit freundlichen Gr?ssen, meilleurs sentiments, > > > Pozdrowienia, > > > > > > Micha? 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