Yup, The OpenTransitMap really needs to be in it's own designated API (outside of OSM) but just accessable, so then it can be rendered on its own and shown as a layer :)
Once this complete .osm file is converted to a shp file, it can be uploaded to a site like koordinates.com and updated on a regular basis. Separating this access is ideal, as transit data (just like flight paths) are non-physical, just the bus stops/airports are physical, and can have a reference link (name/url) to connect the 2. Think of GooglePlaces, it's actually a separate API and not directly related to the map below :) cheers, sam On 11/5/10, Smartrip Technologies Ltd. <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm watching this discussion from beginning, and I want to give you some > point to your consideration. > > OSM is map solution - I don't want to define what kind of solution (despite > the content is developed by community). > But OSM is a perfect base-platform for every geo-location based internet > application. Not only trip planning but more. > I agree with Michal: the ultimate goal of OSM is the mapping solution, but > it mean also the data. > > But everyone of us have to separate this definition: to cartography data and > thematic-related data, like transit. > That's why we have Geoserver, OpenLayer, PostGIS and more. > So, let's leave the OSM as a map, and don't mix the data. > Use layer instead of copile everything in to Mapnik. > > For me, the problem lays in data management related issues like, data > repository, lawfulness of data, data ownership etc. > This issue arising specially for transit topics. > > Regards, > Filip > > BTW, It's my first post on this group. > I wanted to say Hello to community - currently from Dublin :) > > > > On 4 November 2010 20:43, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Send Talk-transit mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Talk-transit digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: public transport time tables (Micha? Borsuk) >> 2. Re: Talk-transit Digest, Vol 23, Issue 2 (Wojciech Kulesza) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:37:43 +0100 >> From: Micha? Borsuk <[email protected]> >> To: "Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics" >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] public transport time tables >> Message-ID: >> >> <[email protected]<gml-mgj%[email protected]> >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> On 4 November 2010 21:25, Sander Deryckere <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Sorry, I didn't want to attack you. >> >> >> You didn't attack me, I must have an aggression problem if you took it >> this >> way ;) Sorry if it sounded that way. >> >> >> >> > I know it's not easy to make a map, but I see a map making as an other >> > project, next to OSM. >> >> >> OK, then you simply should see that other project as "next to OSM, the >> map-making project". It's all about the name and about who makes what. To >> be >> absolutely clear: I am not a street mapper, I map/maintain routes and >> stops >> on the existing map. So I'm on your side, but OSM is OSM, not a >> route-building application. That would be IMHO "creeping featurism". The >> project seems already complicated to manage, let it stay slim. >> >> >> > It's good that OSM has its own map, so mappers kan see their changes, >> > but >> > it's not OSM's core business. >> >> >> Is it not? >> >> >> > OSM is more than data for maps, it also has to provide data for routing >> > software, like maxspeeds, forbidden turns ... I think a timetable would >> be >> > part of that. So there can be efficient routing software for public >> > transport. >> > >> >> I see it as an efficient lower layer for any the routing application out >> there. But again, is there a need for a new one? >> >> > >> > These are just my thoughts, I don't want to offend someone, I admire all >> > people working on projects like this for free, be it map making, >> > programming, mapping ... >> > >> > >> Neither do we want to offend, but just in case you were new: my advice >> take >> a look around. I've been here for a year, and I still consider myself >> somewhat of a newbie. The very early realization that I made was that OSM >> is >> not a wikipedia of maps, it's a *way more complicated* project than has >> existed (personal opinion disclaimer). I do share your optimisms about the >> possible uses, what is brewing here is something incredible. If somebody >> told me few years ago I'd be roaming the forests in my surroundings with >> my >> telephone, and be able to return home from any given point, I'd not be >> able >> to imagine how that'd work. But it does. >> >> >> > regards, >> > >> also, >> >> > Sander >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, mit freundlichen Gr?ssen, meilleurs sentiments, >> Pozdrowienia, >> >> Micha? Borsuk >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-transit/attachments/20101104/29a0917c/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:42:58 +0100 >> From: Wojciech Kulesza <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Talk-transit Digest, Vol 23, Issue 2 >> Message-ID: >> <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> goEuropa, based in Poland and with offices in Ireland also uses >> opentripplanner engine to power its Iplaner.pl >> >> The tool is being used by Urban Transport Authority in Poznan at >> www.ztm.poznan.pl/journey-planner/ >> >> It's developed in Flex/Flash and shows that opentripplanner is an >> excellent >> tool, that is worth supporting. >> >> Regards, >> Wojciech >> >> PS It's my first post on the group. Wanted to say hi to openstreetmap >> community - as qlex i'm already trying to contribute to the map of Poznan >> :) >> >> >> >> >> On 4 November 2010 21:36, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Send Talk-transit mailing list submissions to >> > [email protected] >> > >> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit >> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> > [email protected] >> > >> > You can reach the person managing the list at >> > [email protected] >> > >> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> > than "Re: Contents of Talk-transit digest..." >> > >> > >> > Today's Topics: >> > >> > 1. Re: public transport time tables (Hillsman, Edward) >> > 2. Re: public transport time tables (Sander Deryckere) >> > 3. Re: public transport time tables (Alex McKee) >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Message: 1 >> > Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 16:20:11 -0400 >> > From: "Hillsman, Edward" <[email protected]> >> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] public transport time tables >> > Message-ID: >> > < >> 5e720878f33d3244932503066fc93bf0240c406...@usfmail2.forest.usf.edu >> > > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> > >> > OpenTripPlanner, an open-source project sponsored by a number of public >> > transportation agencies, can link agency GTFS data with downloaded OSM >> (or >> > other) data to provide multimodal routing including schedule information >> > pulled from the GTFS. It is based on GraphServer. It is still in >> > development, but at least one transit agency in the consortium, TriMet >> > of >> > Portland, Oregon, is using the current version, and is hiring an intern >> to >> > help improve the OSM data in Portland. >> > >> > Edward L. Hillsman, Ph.D. >> > Senior Research Associate >> > Center for Urban Transportation Research >> > University of South Florida >> > 4202 Fowler Ave., CUT100 >> > Tampa, FL 33620-5375 >> > 813-974-2977 (tel) >> > 813-974-5168 (fax) >> > [email protected] >> > http://www.cutr.usf.edu<blocked::http://www.cutr.usf.edu/> >> > >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> > URL: < >> > >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-transit/attachments/20101104/630041b9/attachment-0001.html >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 2 >> > Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:25:03 +0100 >> > From: Sander Deryckere <[email protected]> >> > To: "Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics" >> > <[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] public transport time tables >> > Message-ID: >> > <[email protected]> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> > >> > Sorry, I didn't want to attack you. I know it's not easy to make a map, >> but >> > I see a map making as an other project, next to OSM. It's good that OSM >> has >> > it's own map, so mappers kan see their changes, but it's not OSM's core >> > business. OSM is more than data for maps, it also has to provide data >> > for >> > routing software, like maxspeeds, forbidden turns ... I think a >> > timetable >> > would be part of that. So there can be efficient routing software for >> > public >> > transport. >> > >> > These are just my thoughts, I don't want to offend someone, I admire all >> > people working on projects like this for free, be it map making, >> > programming, mapping ... >> > >> > regards, >> > Sander >> > >> > 2010/11/4 Micha? Borsuk <[email protected]> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > On 4 November 2010 20:52, Sander Deryckere <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > >> > >> @ Michal: I know about ?pnvkarte, but I keep mapping public transport >> > >> routes. The ultimate goal is the data, maps and routes are good but >> not >> > >> necessary. >> > >> >> > > >> > > The ultimate goal of OSM is the map, not the data. Feel free to do an >> > > overlay website, but are you sure what you're getting into? Good luck. >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Best regards, mit freundlichen Gr?ssen, meilleurs sentiments, >> > Pozdrowienia, >> > > >> > > >> > > Micha? Borsuk >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Talk-transit mailing list >> > > [email protected] >> > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit >> > > >> > > >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> > URL: < >> > >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-transit/attachments/20101104/ab7d8e23/attachment-0001.html >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Message: 3 >> > Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 20:36:28 +0000 >> > From: Alex McKee <[email protected]> >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] public transport time tables >> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" >> > >> > Very rarely reply to this list but I have to absolutely agree with you. >> > OSM is a data project far, far more than a cartography or neogeography >> > project. >> > >> > On 04/11/2010 20:25, Sander Deryckere wrote: >> > > Sorry, I didn't want to attack you. I know it's not easy to make a >> > > map, but I see a map making as an other project, next to OSM. It's >> > > good that OSM has it's own map, so mappers kan see their changes, but >> > > it's not OSM's core business. OSM is more than data for maps, it also >> > > has to provide data for routing software, like maxspeeds, forbidden >> > > turns ... I think a timetable would be part of that. So there can be >> > > efficient routing software for public transport. >> > > >> > > These are just my thoughts, I don't want to offend someone, I admire >> > > all people working on projects like this for free, be it map making, >> > > programming, mapping ... >> > > >> > > regards, >> > > Sander >> > > >> > > 2010/11/4 Micha? Borsuk <[email protected] >> > > <mailto:[email protected]>> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On 4 November 2010 20:52, Sander Deryckere <[email protected] >> > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > > >> > > @ Michal: I know about ?pnvkarte, but I keep mapping public >> > > transport routes. The ultimate goal is the data, maps and >> > > routes are good but not necessary. >> > > >> > > >> > > The ultimate goal of OSM is the map, not the data. Feel free to do >> > > an overlay website, but are you sure what you're getting into? >> > > Good luck. >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Best regards, mit freundlichen Gr?ssen, meilleurs sentiments, >> > > Pozdrowienia, >> > > >> > > Micha? 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