That you're discussing so many different iterations of the PT schema
proves what a cock-up it is.
That you believe all the PT tags are valid proves you've never make the
schema simpler.
You're even suggesting adding more!
highway=bus_stop is a valid, current well used tag more popular than any
PT tag. It is here to stay.
>and the single pole on the roadside is being slowly abandoned due to
security and barrier issues
Security? What doe that even mean? It's a pole with sign on it!
>because any other solution, as long as platforms are mixed nodes and
ways, would make inconsistencies.
It's the PT tags which are inconsistent & unrepresentative, so require
rescinding.
On 07/05/2019 14:09, DC Viennablog wrote:
I think someone in this discussion is confusing the idea of a new scheme with
the current one.
As it stands, the highway=bus_stop tag is a legacy tag for a node. If the
platform is a node, it can be put on there (for legacy sake, although the
p_t:v2 scheme suggests to sunset that tag) but if the platform is not just
conceptual (e.g a pole on the roadside) but has dimensions (and hence is mapped
as a way/polygon) the tag shall be put on the other thing that is definitely a
node: The stop_position on the road.
Because more and more platforms in public transport get built as extra
features, and the single pole on the roadside is being slowly abandoned due to
security and barrier issues without elevated platforms and so on, I set this,
planned to be depricated tag, always onto the stop position, because any other
solution, as long as platforms are mixed nodes and ways, would make
inconsistencies.
But if we talk about a new scheme, then we could again use one unified tag like
that, ideally one that also encapsulates the mode of transport and also says
“this is the waiting area,point / platform”. Like
public_transport=bus_stop/tram_stop/train_stop (with railway=stop, statiom or
halt becoming optional?)
Only problem: what if a bus and a tram stop at the same platform? Just a
general tag public_transport=stop?
Or would that clutter the tagging to much?
KR
RobinD (emergency99)
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Von: Snusmumriken <snusmumriken.map...@runbox.com>
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Mai 2019 13:19:07
An: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics
Betreff: Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme
On Mon, 2019-05-06 at 13:53 -0500, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
On 2019-05-03 12:09, Dave F via Talk-transit wrote:
On 30/04/2019 18:34, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
A platform is where people wait to board; if they stand at a
pole
(typical for buses), then the pole is logically the platform.
This reinforces my point about misappropriation of tags. A platform
is
a physical construction higher than the surrounding ground to allow
easier boarding.
It's a logical platform whether it physically exists or not. It's
pretty well established that using a platform node for a mere pole
is valid. People wait there to be picked up, regardless of the
actual surface type (which can change over time anyway).
I think you are mistaken here. The logical entity here is the 'bus
stop', what ever its physical manifestation. English is not my native
language but I don't think one would ever construct a sentence like
"Let's meet at the Main street platform" when you were meaning "Let's
meet at the Main street bus stop".
I don't think a logical platform makes any sense in the context of
public transport.
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