On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Ian Dees <[email protected]> wrote:
> We need to stop talking in nebulous terms. "the complaints here" are > apparently unknown to everyone. If it's not appropriate to describe the > specific issues, then perhaps we shouldn't be having this conversation on > the mailing list. I would prefer to discuss this in general, and in the open. Firstly, open is good. Secondly, we're seeking guidelines for use now and in the future. I do understand where you are coming from though. Yes, I think "praise in public, criticize in private" is the way to go in general. However, that hasn't worked in these current cases. Again, we've had _many_ complaints about these very few accounts. If you haven't seen something like this? Good. You are better for it. As Dale suggests in his point 1), if one mapper takes the high road and decides not to change a disputed edit, but to discuss instead, then the other mapper can effectively "game the system". They can not engage, or not change their mind and effectively get what they want, without consultation or collaborative mapping. Rest assured that the difficult mappers would scream "edit war; bad touch!!!" were the high road mapper to respond by reverting or editing to their preference. But how do we distinguish between an idiosyncratic mapper who chooses to be less-engaged with the broader community from a mapping bully who will have it their way, regardless? We[1] can discuss welcome and unwelcome behaviours. We can establish guidelines. We can educate where required. We can impose sanctions where the above don't work. Discussion comes first. DWG have a pattern of complaints from mappers who feel that something must be done. DWG is asking the US community at large what you would have DWG do on your behalf? You could tell those mappers to "suck it up and stop whining." That's what the difficult accounts have effectively said. I think that we can do better than that. I won't suggest that every complaint DWG receives deserves equal weight after consideration of the matter. And I won't suggest that some accounts are always wrong while other accounts are always right. But this is a giant flashing warning light. With a klaxon. [1] We = "We as a community" _______________________________________________ Talk-us mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
