Am 29.11.2012 00:04, schrieb Richard Fairhurst:
!i! wrote:
Hi, one last personal note on the mapathon and a big thank you
(literally): http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/!i!/diary/18132
And thank you, too. I've always been sceptical about this sort of event - my
vision for OSM is that we need more contributors with local knowledge, not
more "remote mapping" - but in hindsight I think this, and MapRoulette, are
showing some really interesting ways forward. By applying the OSM community
to a problem in Mechanical Turk fashion, we're able to achieve much better
results than an unthinking import or automated edit would do.
I absolutely agree with that opinion. What OSM makes strong is a huge
crowd of people _on the ground_, that contribute and update data.
On the other hand, there are still a lot of countries, where we sadly
haven't this public attention and only a few inhabitant participate on
our project. So what we can do here is to wait, till there is a critical
number of mappers, or try to help from outside.
Similar to Richard (and others) I was sceptical, too if armchair-mapping
will work with such an general mission. So first approach (night of the
living maps) was focused on contribute on a semi-local level, where
people have usually no problem with identifying objects, ...
So OPC2012 was the next step, to see if it will work on another
continents, as well and get feedback by the community. And it seemed to
work, even if some users would prefer to work on their own regions again ;)
I had similar concerns to do tracings here in my state of Mecklenburg
Vorpommern (in north east Germany). As this is a wide area with only
sparse community, I wasn't sure if it will be bad (as to 'steal' the
work from other upcoming local mappers) or good idea to trace places
100km away.
But it turned out, that most externals enjoyed to see their city with
buildings (usually a giant batch job that frightens people) and attract
them to add more minor changes as adding POIs they now can easily point
to. A few dozen times, it worked, too , to invite inhabitants (local
bureaus, associations, sport clubs, ...) to add their knowledge using
osmbugs.org.
That doesn't have to be a general effort, but was my personal motivation
to see armchair mapping more positive.
So what else can be done to attract people? I don't think that we have
so much choices:
-get into media (IT, GIS, ...)
-get into usual apps
-offer better/more innovative services than other
-allow even minor places to get as detailed, as boom towns
The first idea needs some storys (as OPC2012 might was) and doesn't work
without new or innovative facts, so new developments. Here in Germany it
seems to be now a problem, as anybody from the IT sector seems to know
OSM, but only very few from the mainstream. So maybe here we might need
really to focus on the "consumers" to recruit a few more of them as mappers.
-Erfahrungen vom ländlichen Raum in Ostdeutschland
-Wie Leute gewinnen?
-hier breiter bewerben, da OSM zwar bei IT Leuten bekannt, aber kaum bei
Normalsterblichen
-man weis immer nur sehr wenig von anderen teilen der Erde
-Mapper sind gewissenhafter als man denkt. Es scheint nur den wenigsten
um Masse statt Klasse zu gehen
Give the OSM community a task and it will carry it out much better than
you'd imagine. There's lots we can learn from that.
Yes most mappers (as you and me) seem to care more on quality and
quantity. Maybe this is because everybody knows mapping from a lot of
different perspectives (local survey , mapping well know areas, ....
editing existing 3rd party data).
Personally I saw that we all have very limited knowledge from other
parts of this world :)
bye,
Matthias
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