I think compacted is definitely the best way to tag, but I agree with Toby's point that common terms conflicting with OSM terminology is going to lead to lots of errors. Looking at my own edits, I have mistakenly used surface=gravel quite frequently. Not really sure what to do -- a "did you really mean to tag 'surface=gravel'?" error message/tooltip in the editor? I think actual gravel in the sense of the wiki is quite rare.
Harald. On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 6:38 PM Jack Burke <burke...@gmail.com> wrote: > I've been tagging roads like that as compacted, once I learned more about > the surfacing tech. > > > -jack > > -- > Typos courtesy of fancy auto spell technology > > On April 18, 2018 6:19:07 PM EDT, Toby Murray <toby.mur...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I recently bought a gravel bicycle to ride on the many gravel roads in >> Kansas. Like this one: >> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=nYO4JI46L0SWzNAQlLT4kA&focus=photo >> >> First question: What would you call this road? Obviously I am calling >> it a "gravel road" but a couple of people have said they would call it >> a "dirt road" so I'm curious if there are any other common terms to >> describe this type of road in different regions of the US. >> >> Second question: How would you tag this road? There is a >> surface=gravel tag that is in pretty common usage in Kansas and >> neighboring states. However looking at the wiki page for the surface >> tag[1], this is not wiki-correct. According to that page >> surface=gravel is to be used for large rocks (4-8cm) that are laid >> down loosely like those typically used as ballast on railroad beds. I >> believe The Mapillary picture I linked to would be considered >> surface=compacted according to the wiki because the rocks are much >> smaller and the surface is stabilized with a binding agent. There is a >> big difference between the two when it comes to bicycle riding. >> Railroad ballast is bone jarring and flat tire inducing whereas gravel >> roads are pretty manageable on the right kind of bike. >> >> But If you call something a "gravel road" and there is a "gravel" >> option in the editor preset for the surface tag, people are going to >> choose the gravel option and not look for "compacted" since that is >> not a common term here. I assume it is a more common term in the UK >> and that is why it is used in OSM. >> >> And lastly there are trails that are surfaced with a similar material >> but crushed to a smaller size like here: >> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=iQNqP-dfQ-Rm6AD9REMsgQ&focus=photo >> >> I'm trying to decide if that is better as surface=compacted or >> surface=fine_gravel although fine_gravel seems to be a slightly >> different process from what I see on the wiki. >> >> Maybe this should be directed at the tagging list but I thought I >> would get thoughts from the US community since we seem to be the ones >> using the tag incorrectly (according to the wiki) >> >> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface >> >> Toby >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Talk-us mailing list >> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >> >> _______________________________________________ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >
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