Robert, I quickly looked at the talk-us and talk-us-import archives (https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/ and https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports-us/ ) I do not see any mail from you in April/May/June. Did you send the email about your import request to one of those mailing lists ? Since your email is not in the achives (as far as I can see), it explains why you did not get any reaction so far.
regards m On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 6:24 AM Robert Yaklin <ryak...@gmail.com> wrote: > > And then you have people like myself who were new to OSM and reading the docs > that say to join mailing list and to send email to mailing list before doing > proposed import of data and get no reply. Maybe the people who would have > replied use other channels and not the mailing list. In any case it leaves me > not feeling particularly welcome. Nor does it encourage me to invest my time > into mapping. At least now that this slack discussion is happening I have > some explanation of why it seemed not many people participate in the mailing > list. I'll never voluntarily install or use slack and had never heard of it > before this discussion. > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 7:36 PM Ian Dees <ian.d...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 5:10 PM Greg Troxel <g...@lexort.com> wrote: >>> >>> Martijn van Exel <m...@rtijn.org> writes: >>> >>> > Hi Simon, >>> > >>> >> > * everyone is on it >>> >> That's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy after you've essentially >>> >> force migrated everybody there and then cut the ties with any other >>> >> competing media (in OSM) so that you can have your nice walled garden. >>> > >>> > I would argue that it is a good thing that people converge on one >>> > platform to talk about OSM. Whether Slack remains the right choice is >>> > something we can debate. It was really the only feasible choice that >>> > was available to us at the time we (OSM US) felt the need for a better >>> > platform for conversations. Slack has done its job as a for-profit >>> > non-open company well in the sense that we're somewhat locked in >>> > now. I dislike the fact that it is a walled garden, and becoming more >>> > so, as much as anyone who values free and open data and software. If >>> > there is a practical way to improve that situation, we should pursue >>> > it. >>> > >>> > Finally, please stop your unpleasant trolling, it has no place in OSM. >>> >>> Slack is a company with terms some don't like. People should not have >>> to enter into a contract with some random company to participate in OSM. >>> >>> I for one am not on the osmf-us slack, and am likely to continue not >>> being on it. So "everyone is on it" is demonstrably false. >>> >>> Another issue is that we are building open data, and open data and open >>> source go hand in hand philosophically. So it is not surprising that >>> members of the OSM community object to proprietary communications >>> systems. It is surprising that a non-trivial number of OSM people think >>> proprietary communication systems are ok. >>> >>> There is matrix; I haven't tried that, and I've heard positive reports >>> about self-hosted mattermost. >>> >>> Another possibility, which might fix the terms issue but not the >>> proprietary issue, would be for OSMF-US to enter into an agreement with >>> Slack, Inc. in such a way that OSM people do not have to enter into a >>> contract, much as if they were employees. >> >> >> As we've said multiple times in this thread, it's totally OK for there to be >> multiple avenues of communication in the OSM community. That has always been >> the case and will continue being the case. If a group of community members >> want to get together on a communications channel, they should do that. It's >> especially OK when the communication channels are so different (like >> Slack/IRC vs. mailing lists). OSM US doesn't require anyone to use any >> particular communication channel and a large swath of the US's most engaged >> mappers are on several (mailing lists, slack, IRC, forum, etc.). >> >> Also, I don't think it's surprising that a vast array of different kinds of >> people participate in OpenStreetMap. Some of those people are interested and >> passionate in OpenStreetMap because of its relation to the Open Source >> movement, and some people want to contribute to a community project. I'm >> sure there are plenty of other reasons why people are part of this community >> – we should be welcoming to all of them, not just the ones that are >> passionate about Open Source. >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-us mailing list >> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us _______________________________________________ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
