Thanks Grant/ Gerhardus, I did some checking too.
There are three routes missing on the wiki and probably on the map too. I updated the wiki to show them https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Africa/Public_transport_routes#Gautrain I agree, most Bus stops missing and those that are there are missing names etc. Another problem with Gautrain is that Stop numbers are volatile. When stops are added the stops are simply renumbered. Not a current problem but is it easily fixable (when it happens) or is it a manual process? Regards, John On 2 May 2014 19:09, Grant Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > On 2 May 2014 16:15, "John" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I may be able to get a list of all bus stops including GPS coordinates > directly from Gautrain. > > > > Awesome! Do it, we are still lacking the locations of most of the Gautrain > Bus stops... Rea Vaya bus stops are even worse. > > > Two questions: > > > > 1) What "permissions" do we need to get for this to be usable on OSM? > > It isn't a huge dataset, so I think a simple email or document from them > saying we (OpenStreetMap) may us the data would be sufficient. Forward the > approval email to me [email protected] or [email protected] > archiving. > > > 2) Is there someone who could assist to bulk load the data. > > > > Yes, I would be more than happy to convert to OSM format from whatever > they give you. (Even an excel document with lat/lon columns would be good) > > > On the second point I would be happy to do some preprocessing. e.g. > Correlation against against a list of what has already been captured. > > > > Once converted you can help me merge the data ;-) > > Kind regards, > Grant > > > Regards, > > John > > > > > > > > On 22 November 2013 08:46, Dawid Loubser <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Copyright law cannot prohibit the manual reconstruction of > publically-available information any more than what it can control an > internet search engine like https://www.duckduckgo.com from indexing and > serving that information when you do a web search. There is, consequently, > no legal problem at all in looking at information on e.g. the official > Gautrain bus map, and updating OpenStreetMap based on this. > >> > >> Gerhardus' method is more in the "spirit of OpenStreetMap" though - as > OSM frowns upon the copying of information from commercial or proprietary > sources. > >> Ultimately - nobody will even know: there is no > legalistically-distinguishable difference between adding something because > you were there, vs adding something because you saw it on another map. > (Obviously you should only add things to the map that you have verified > actually exists.) > >> > >> When I added the gautrain bus routes that I have actually travelled on, > I still used the official gautrain bus map as a reference: to correlate the > positioning and get the metadata (stop numbers, etc). Nobody can prove > which one I used "more" though - their map, or my on-the-ground observation. > >> > >> I wouldn't worry too much. Grant needs to worry more, now that he's > added a "state secret" (Nkandla) to the map :-) > >> > >> -- > >> Dawid Loubser <[email protected]> > >> > >> Op Do, 2013-11-21 om 20:46 +0000 skryf Gerhardus Geldenhuis: > >>> > >>> Well ideally you should travel with GPS in hand and map the stops. > That way there is not licensing dispute at all and where the busses stop is > public knowledge that you have recorded in OSM. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 21 November 2013 19:08, John <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for the feedback. I probably need to try JOSM again. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> How about copy right? Can we use from the published Gautrain maps as > source? In the case of public transport surely it is public domain?? > >>>> > >>>> We always come back to this, apologies, but it does seem a bit > different with a public transport vs propriety. We are after all not > copying the map, simply the stops and the route?? Alternatively do we ask > permission? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> John > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 21 November 2013 10:25, Gerhardus Geldenhuis < > [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Just echoing Dawid, JOSM will be your friend for relational editing > if you not already using it. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 21 November 2013 08:18, Dawid Loubser <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Nice work in the Midrand area, John! The Gautrain Bus Route is > really looking swell overall (Six months ago there was barely anything). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> With regards to the order of the stops in the relation, I am afraid > iD (in-browser editor) is a little bit limited - the only way that I am > aware of, is to add the stops to the relation in chronological order - the > order seems to be maintained. To view the order of the items in the > relation, just "open" the relation for editing, and in the left-hand > toolbar, scroll down to where the "members" are listed - you will see all > members (in order). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Otherwise, check out the JOSM editor for finer-grained editing > tasks like these. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Happy mapping! > >>>>>> (or do we say "Merry Mapping" this time of year...?) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Talk-ZA mailing list > >>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Talk-ZA mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Talk-ZA mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ZA mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > > -- John Grant +27 82 686 2828
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