what?  as in their NPR  station?
For the record, my stereo has an audio / video option. My TV, VCR, and DVD player are connected to a splitter. this allows me to project sound from my set through my stereo speakers, things like surround sound for films, and wonderful sound quality for other things.
Karen



On Wed, 29 Nov 2023, Don Tai wrote:

Note that over the air OTA TV also provides the Buffalo FM classical
station sans picture. You can listen to classical music through your TV.

https://www.wikihow.com/Build-Antennas "
- Create a simple TV antenna using a coaxial cable and tinfoil or a
jumbo-sized paperclip.
- Make a HDTV antenna using copper wires and a wooden board. Avoid using
insulated wire."

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 12:44, Karen Lewellen via talk <[email protected]>
wrote:

Hi Evan,
granted as said, the watching over  my DOS computer, or my flip phone is a
firm  no.
While I do have personal and professional interest in Boston and Detroit,
that you are getting Buffalo might make this a worth while experiment,
even
if it just gets me through the Holidays..I am quite isolated here, and all
the  mayhem around  how i reach the world is weighing quite heavily.
Can you give me a specific loop model, and a from where?
There is a co-worker with cSI who has been a divine gift, putting together
my DOS machine and working with my spare talking scanners.
If I get this swiftly, I can discover if it is workable, there is a window
with a ledge right out behind my set.  In fact I have a garden shelf it
can be attached to, so ling as  it does not have to run through the window
itself.
Kare



On Wed, 29 Nov 2023, Evan Leibovitch wrote:

One option available to some cord cutters is going back to the antenna.

I have one on my rooftop and it does quite a good job of picking up
Toronto
and Buffalo channels, which I find preferable to the Robellus options for
two reasons:

  - The off-air signal is not compressed so it can be noticeably sharper
  than cable or satellite
  - The cable/dish options usually get their US feeds from Detroit or
  Boston or some such; Buffalo local news and weather will be more
relevant
  to me

This isn't just limited to people with their own houses. A good small UHF
antenna can also work well from an apartment building, especially if
you're
south-facing. I once lived on an upper floor in a St. Jamestown tower
(Wellesley/Parliament) and my reception was outstanding with just a
simple
loop. A really good website for determining what you can get at your
location is tvfool.com.

I use these channels mainly for local news, sports and weather. Most
actual
programming can be found on the web, either through a subscription to a
service like Crave or ... there are other paths
<
https://www.howtogeek.com/71315/the-how-to-geek-guide-to-getting-started-with-usenet/
.
I also have a tuner called an HDHomerun that takes antenna input and
provides it through your home network (ie, accessible to your PCs and
phones) so you don't even need a coax-input TV.

Of course you can in theory receive over the air channels using an
antenna
and an ATSC tuner, but if you are in a basement that seems unlikely to
work.


For the expense of a simple loop
<
https://www.amazon.ca/Antenna-Indoor-Amplified-Digital-Miles-Support/dp/B0BWDSXVLG/ref=sr_1_20

-- some are available for under $25, and you can return it if it doesn't
work -- if you're close enough to the CN Tower you might be surprised.

- Evan


On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 12:23???AM Karen Lewellen via talk <
[email protected]>
wrote:

Hi,
If I could get the digital box, without having to use a modem, I would
likely  be fine, because the digital box would tap into the existing
blanket internet  wireless wise would it not?
In fact that was my landlord's idea adding an extra receiver to his
account, for which I would pay the rental, as it is just on another
floor.
I am curious how the antenna idea works, I am above ground for the area
where   my television sits, so perhaps?  what do I need?
Oh  boy does my television have optical outs..in spades
The DVD player  has an HDMI port, I imagined connecting the cable box to
this, and since the set is connected to the  player it would be enough.
I still have my old Roger's  digital cable box, the one they provided
for
older televisions as well.
wish I had fewer trees, not only is satellite less complex, from bell
there
are   channels automatically provided with audio description for the
blind
enabled..they do not provide this for Fibe.
Kare



On Wed, 29 Nov 2023, Lennart Sorensen wrote:

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 08:09:47PM -0500, Karen Lewellen via talk
wrote:
Hi folks,
before simply saying you avoid television, Part of what I do
professionally
means accessing  a great deal, news channels and other things for
example.
And for me, the, I will just watch it on my computer is a nailed shut
door.
This entire property is Bell fibe saturated which  while it might
translate
to one of their fibe TV boxes working for me, its almost December and
I
am
no closer to my land line solution..even with photographs of the
existing
jacks.
So,I am wondering if at all, it is still possible from anyone to
simply
find
old fashioned cable box cable.
I have all the rest of the equipment, and it all works..even my VCR.
I am even wondering if, since the place is so saturated for wireless,
if I
got an older apple TV, third gen still had optical connectors, or a
rocku, I
could come up with something. not as good as regular cable, but I am
grasping for ideas.
thoughts?

Bell's Fibe service has only ever worked with their boxes.  Rogers
cable
has been moving to all digital over the last quite a few years, and
analog cable (that a VCR could directly tune) has been gone for a
while,
with everything going digital.  They even gave people free little boxes
for a while to connect to older TVs that could tune the basic digital
channels but I don't think they even do that anymore.  I think
everything
now involves a digital cable box.  On top of that they have been moving
to IP based systems (Rogers Ignite) for a number of years and I doubt
they would install the legacy digital cable anymore for new accounts.
Definitely no analog cable left anymore.

Of course you can in theory receive over the air channels using an
attenna and an ATSC tuner, but if you are in a basement that seems
unlikely to work.

So unfortunately as far as I can see, the only things you can get these
days is Bell Fibe or Rogers Ignite, both of which require using a box
from the respective company and only outputs HDMI.  VCRs won't do
anything
with that, and older TVs won't either.

The streaming method might work, although if you were looking to get
access to local TV stations, I have no idea if any of the streaming
services offer that.

As far as I can find, some of the Bell Fibe boxes have optical audio
out.
The Rogers Ignite boxes do not appear to have it.  Of course some TVs
also have optical audio out, so it might not have to be optical out on
the box you are receiving with, if the TV has that.

--
Len Sorensen

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