On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 7:20 AM o1bigtenor via talk <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 3:06 AM ac via talk <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> snip
>
> > > And, it's just a generic LLM.  I've heard experienced developers
> > > saying surprisingly positive things about GitHub's Copilot for quite
> > > a while now.
> > > As for the SQL issue - all search queries on Qwant / DDG / Google
> > > lead to "how to join tables in SQL"; utterly useless. I know that
> > > reasonably well.
> > > And, who hasn't had a search lead them to StackOverflow where the
> > > highest rated answer is strongly condemned further in the comments as
> > > being wrong / out of date / insecure, etc.?
> > >
> > Actually, this is an interesting point.
> >
> > Google search seems to prioritise answers from humans and human sources.
> >
> > I searched on Microsoft the other day and was surprised to see that I
> > could supply .js snippets (which I did not code and was too lazy to
> > read through) and receive a correct answer direct from "search"
> >
> > So, us humans will be replaced as 'coders" - Machines will be writing
> > the code which powers machines. Not only is that something for us to
> > understand fully, but we also have to comprehend where we are all
> > choosing to go.
> >
> > It is like watching episodes of "the Traitors" and seeing how the
> > majority votes out a faithful.
> >
> > there is just nothing to do but be along for the ride :)
> >
> > > Lots of incorrect answers supplied by humans.
> > >
> > indeed, if only there was some way to 'sort' or use advanced search to
> > set dates... (to exclude popular answers from 2009) or do more settings
> > on search options... oh, wait.... - and then there are no search
> > results... when is "search" not "search" and just becomes "answer" -
> > interesting! - it is like a mobile phone - it is hardly even a mobile
> > phone any longer, why do so many people still call it a 'phone' or a
> > mobile phone...
> >
> > I think though that I will still be using Google for search, although
> > when looking at it all from my perspective we are all already screwed,
> > unless we can vote out all of the tratitors. (which seems increasingly
> > unlikely)
> >
> Re: search engines - - - - to me they are totally frustrating.
>
> If I'm asking for a search where I want terms  'a + b + c + d + e' well -
> I'm looking for where ALL 5 terms show up. Not where any one term is or
> any two (etc etc). So if one is looking for very generic kind of items - -
> well search is useful - - - if you're looking for the specific - - - -
> search
> - - - well - - its quite useless!
>
> (tried to sign up for chatgpt but as I'm unable to use a cellphone at my
> location that's a no for even signup (and no way to reach the idiots - -
> - - sorry I guess I should use people but I wonder - - to let them know
> that I can't because its only after registration that connection is
> allowed - - - total circular logic that is!)


I'm having a hard time parsing this.

I have never used a cellphone to access https://chat.openai.com -- this is
where I signed up for free and later where I upgraded to Plus. The process
to register is quite easy, I don't quite understand the issues you and
Kevin are having.

FWIW, I have had generally good results with ChatGPT4 with two exceptions:
- It's awful at anything location-based
- fine for solutions, not fine for opinions

- Evan
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