Re: [nyphp-talk] [OT] Next meeting

Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:11:02 -0700

I have used this a bit in testing some of the web-apps that I've developed. The problem is that none of the other developers on my team are willing to use it, and our application changes often enough that it often breaks the tests and they have to be re-written.
I use SimpleTest more often (there is a plugin for Selenium that I've not managed to implement successfully), even though Selenium does a much better job of testing "the big picture" (Javascript included). The problem is that it's so easy to break the Selenium tests unintentionally, and it involves quite a bit of time to write another test. 


It's a pretty powerful tool, and I highly recommend it, despite it's 
shortcomings.


- Brian

Morgan Craft wrote:

I know testing was mentioned.  Has anyone played with Selenium at all?

http://www.openqa.org/selenium-ide/


Our development team is beginning to look at integrating this platform 
into our testing.  Anyone else using this at all?


Hans C. Kaspersetz wrote:

Both talks would be very cool....  Chris, I would prefer the testing 
discussion.  Are you talking about security testing or general 
testing, like the use of test suites to perform regression testing, 
ect?  I would prefer the later.  Seems like an issue that comes up 
once a year and deserves that attention.


Hans K



Hans Zaunere wrote:

This is a good idea, too.  So, we went from not having any speaker, to
having too much material :)


Folks who would be willing to present (April for sure, possibly May) 
please

ping me directly and we can schedule things in.

H


Kenneth Downs wrote on Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:08 PM:

 

Have you ever considered a database primer?  A very simple
presentation could be built around a handful of ideas:
1) Vocabulary demystification,  column=field, tuple=row=record,
relation=table, foreign key = reference, primary_key = "code" or
unique value 2)  Why you can do so much with primary and foreign keys

3)  Is normalization a black art, or a simple matter of technique

4)  What do people mean by denormalization, why do some people hate
it so much?  Why do others say it is no big deal?
5) Finally, why programmers have trouble with databases and why
database people have trouble with code, the so-called "impedance
mismatch".
I'd be happy to prepare something.


Hans Zaunere wrote:



    Ben Sgro (ProjectSkyline) wrote on Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:01 
PM:



        Hey all,

        Some application penetration testing would be fun.

        Maybe using both tools (nessus) and scripts, brute forcing,

    

cookie

 

        altering, sql inject.

        I dont know if that's something to put together in the next

    

week,

 

        but I would donate time to providing a portion of what's

    

listed.

 


    That's not a bad idea - maybe a cooperative presentation on a
    specific set of topics?

    H



        Just some thoughts.

        - Ben


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            Hans Zaunere wrote:


                Would be great to have you present.


            Anyone have any topic requests?

            My favorite topics are web application security,

    

sessions, and

 

            testing. I can also speak about DTD strategies:

            http://handdrawngames.com/DesktopTD/

            Chris

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