I believe that all of the informal industry-standard acknowledgements and accolades that you call for in your note have already been informally applied to all the entities that you mention and that this informal approved/sanctioned condition has existed for years for PEAR, sourceforege.net, et al. This has not successfully gelled into a reliable, knowable, useable set of standards that makes it possible for programmers and managers to have a quantifiable standard to work up to and within. I am still in the camp that PHP programmers like realtors, financial planners should have an association approved path and tool set that ultimately will have more knowable and strongly negotiable pay scale. Peter
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Mattocks Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:47 AM To: NYPHP Talk Subject: Re: [nyphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and the PHP+Developer Peter Sawczynec wrote: > It seems we (I mean PHP programmers) have all the tools and instruments > already at our fingertips for more formalizing the study and application > of PHP, we'd just have to agree to ring our wagons around what we've got > on hand. Instead of trying to force a few applications, repositories and people into positions they are not ready for, would it not be better to organize efforts to contribute to those which are best suited to take those positions in the near future? A defacto standard is much more powerful than an appointed standard. Instead of trying to convince everyone that PEAR is the best place to get reusable code, why not contribute to PEAR and remove all doubt? Instead of forcing everyone to sign up for a proprietary certification that does not have community support, why not create an open certification group that has the support of the community and gains community respect because of it? Don't just name user groups as something a programmer should be a member of, make them so valuable (through contributions of experience) that one will be foolish not to sign up. If you can get a large group of people to take those steps, your dream of a well respected and formally recognized best practices and applications will follow. -- Scott Mattocks Author: Pro PHP-GTK http://www.crisscott.com _______________________________________________ New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php _______________________________________________ New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
