On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Peter Becker <peterbsem...@gmail.com> wrote: > OK, So thank you so much for the input, but now here's the funny part > Mitch....the first prototype site that we somewhat inherited and are > completely redoing from scratch (nearly), used a combination of Joomla and > PHP :-)) This was less to get away from anything in particular, just that > we know a lot more about what we need to do now and the business is smart > enough to let us do the right thing (so rare these days). > > There are some great things about Joomla, but the site implementation felt > somewhat schizophrenic in that there was the Joomla half and the PHP half. > I'm sure there's better ways to integrate between the two than was done, but > we had no deep expertise in Joomla and managing the site between/across dev, > staging, preprod and prod, became quite onerous with separate instances of > Joomla on dev, preprod and prod. Felt almost like it was defeating the > whole purpose of a CMS. > > As we're at the beginning stages of spec'ing out the new site, nothing is > off the table, and maybe there is a clean way to integrate Joomla into Zend > (and this is a consideration), but it seems like a lot of overhead for > things we just don't need....ergo trying to do a more clean break between > the style (handled through Zend) and the content (handled through ?). The > challenge with most of the tools/frameworks out there is that they want to > make building a site as easy as possible which usually means mashing the 2 > together. But there always seems to be that point of diminishing returns > where you start spending more time on the work arounds than you ever saved > in the beginning - ahh the trade-offs. > > Anyway - really appreciate the input and the team here had not heard of the > other suggestions that were made, but are now looking at and evaluating. > Thank you, this really is a great group and think I (or my team) may have > even met some of you at Code Works 09 in Manhattan. We're going to try and > get down to the next local meeting if we can (we're in CT).
What a small world - I was a morning speaker and talked a little about Dojo and Thin Server Architecture; and might have met some of you while hanging out... As always, the devil's in the details. You have to balance the advantage of having a CMS that gets love from an active community (free updates and maintenance) versus the flexibility of a do it yourself approach (which would call rather for a framework like Zend or KohanaPHP). Joomla is a great platform, as long as what you are doing can be done within Joomla. You start to lose the benefits of a full platform when you start coding outside of it, which you obviously noticed ;-) To take advantage of a full platform like Joomla you do need to approach your implementation the Joomla Way(TM), otherwise consider eschewing a CMS and go one level lower to a glue framework that gives you the flexibility you need. -- Mitch _______________________________________________ New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation
