On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Ajai Khattri <a...@bitblit.net> wrote: > On Mon, 26 Oct 2009, Mitch Pirtle wrote: > >> Here's my take, would love your feedback: >> >> http://www.mitchitized.com/nerdy-stuff/php-frameworks-explained/ > > A couple of points: > > You say a framework is opinionated (fair comment) but that to me > implies a stack has specific layers, a naming and directory layout > convention, etc. Zend doesn't have that so each project is different - > there is no common frame of reference. Thus I dont call it a framework. > "Glue" is certainly right, but its really a library of components - how > you use them, how you structure your app and your own naming conventions > is how they're often used. If you like gluing things together, that might > be OK. But it also brings up the issue of long-term maintenance, when you > have to hand the code over to someone else that has a different idea of > how things should be structured. While a lot of frameworks have a common > layout that facilitate easier maintenance by different developers, most > also allow you to tweak and customize a little, so they are not as rigid > as seems to be implied. > > The other thing is, despite being full stacks, many frameworks can be > scaled up and there are many options to tweak that. You can switch off > layers you dont want to use (like maybe you dont want to use an ORM or > you want to swap in a lighter component). Many frameworks have a lots of > options for caching functions, templates, etc. You would have to build > that yourself if you want to glue something together with components. > > There are many large sites using frameworks, so your comments about > scalability and performance might be a bit off. Frameworks require much > more learning to get the best out of them, this is why picking four > frameworks and bulding a simple "Hello World" page merely scratches the > surface and cannot be regarded as a serious testdrive, but these > unoptmized experiences are sadly often used as benchmarks to pick!
You just made me re-read my own article, as you make it sound I said things I didn't. And that makes me nervous that other folks would misunderstand as well. This article is about the different types of frameworks, and only cites a few as examples for reference. I have no idea what your talking about regarding benchmarking frameworks with a typical "Hello world!" test app. Lastly performance was specifically mentioned as a challenge with scaffold frameworks, and as a strength with glue frameworks. You sure you read the right blog post Ajai? -- Mitch, checking his website one more time _______________________________________________ New York PHP Users Group Community Talk Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk http://www.nyphp.org/Show-Participation
