Hi Jim: I disabled Rods App and the first test worked well making me think that may have been the problem but... The second test the same problem of WE trying to read the MenuBar menus, first couple of menus a couple of times with the arrow keys before reading the rest of the menus occurred so not likely Rods App. Also, I was just sitting on the desktop thinking and WE said "Graphic" without me doing anything and, in fact it said "Graphic" when I tried using my program and WE was struggling to read the Menu Barwith Rods App disabled. so it sounds like a graphic or a hidden dialog or something is either a symptom or causing the problem for WE. Do you use a login each time you boot up or after your machine sleeps? I have wondered if this window actually goes away or if it is just hidden by WE or handled in some other way after logging on to my computer. Rick USA
-----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 6:24 AM To: 'Jim Grimsby JR.'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: WE Problem Analysis Hi Jim: Just the standard 20 or so WE Apps and the Caps App created by Rod. I will disable the Caps app and muck with things some. That said, most of these problems have occurred prior to adding the caps app but since things have gotten worse lately and that is the only change I have made to any of the programs or WE that is something to look at. I have noticed the stuttering so long as I have run WE latest version so that is independent of anything else and still indicates an attempt to read something twice. But I will see if disabling the caps app has any effect if I can but it takes time to run enough tests to indicate the problem exists since it is often sporadic. The only other thing I have done is to update Windows when critical updates are available from Microsoft. Good idea though and I will disable Rods App and continue today with normal work to see if it has a positive relationship. Note that when I first started using Windows 8.1 I didn't notice these problems other than the stuttering in the login dialog which I am guessing you have disabled - let me know. Rick USA -----Original Message----- From: Jim Grimsby JR. [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 6:08 AM To: 'Rick Thomas'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: WE Problem Analysis What apps do you have running. I don't see any of these problems on my windows 8.1 computers. -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 2:47 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: WE Problem Analysis Hi WE Users: After using WE for some time now with MS Windows 8.1 I have noticed a pattern to some problems. In my in-house Microsoft Visual Studio Developed project WE has trouble holding or finding focus on a Master Detail form with a MenuBar. When I open the menu bar and right arrow WE might read File View File View File View Edit File View file view edit sorts etc... When I try to down arrow through the Menu Items in one of the menus we may start reading the first few menu items then lock up until I tab or alt tab to change focus to another control and back again. Sometimes reading through the ListBox using the arrow keys WE just locks up. Sometimes I might hear the word graphic spoken before it locks up, most times not. Always, when it works, When I LogOn to my computer after letting it go into sleep mode WE stutters on the Password like Sta star sta star sta star sta star etc as I type each letter. Also, after logging on this way my Outlook messages wont read and the last time even Internet Explorer wouldnt read, just ping ping trying to read using the arrow keys in both cases - web problem for WE? Sometimes I hear things spoken that are not in a focused object I am trying to either alt-tab to or otherwise navigate to. Now, all this speaks of WE trying to read more than it should, perhaps reading the entire dom for each keypress? I dont know but this seems to be hinting at some type of problem related to WE trying to find the correct item to hold focus and thus speak. None of these problems are exhibited by JAWS - I have tested them out with the alternate reader to ensure it was not a Microsoft problem. Note that my past experience, postings, on Visual Studio problems fall into this focus problem category as well and that the Visual Studio problems are also not present in JAWS or, for that matter, in a couple of other screen readers I usually have to fall back on. So, these problems may be a result of trying to read the entire dom or WE getting lost in the middle of trying to position itself and allowing focus to get mixed up during this process somehow. While this all is indeed problematic the reason for this posting is to help identify, perhaps, the source(s) of the many problems WindowEyes is having lately so dont take it personally guys but see if you can add to the analysis. I will post to the GW Scripting List since some of those folks are quite good when it comes to how WE does things. Rick USA _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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