Additional Firmed up: I just closed Outlook and was expecting to get returned to the desk top. I heard "Window-Eye..." followed by the word "Graphic" as usual, that is the word "Graphic" when things are reading phantom words. Then was on the Desktop. So, my current guess, is that WindowEyes is reading something under the mouse when it is not suppose to read. PS: While typing this and hitting the read to end to validate it, I heard the first few words read then WE stopped reading this message, read the word "Graphic" and stopped reading the rest of this message - life sucks and then you die. Even when trying again, even while typing I think, I heard "Window-Eye..." followed by the word "Graphic" read and then normal typing and reading of this message. So it appears to happen in many diferent applications and sounds like WE is inadvertantly reading something under the mouse for no apparent reason while reading and typing and can impact the underlying application in a very negative way - perhaps having something to do with Internet Lockups? Rick USA Rick USA
-----Original Message----- From: Rick Thomas [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 4:19 AM To: 'Rick Thomas'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Phantom Items Being Read FollowUp: It just happened again. This time when the literal "WinEye..." was read think it was "WinEye..." I hit the numpad 5 key and heard it read indicating it was under the mouse. I used the numpad upand down arrow keys and it looks like it is the WindowEyes shortcut on my Desktop being read but reading "WinEye..." instead of the literal I have on the Desktop which is "WindowEyes". I am not sure where focus was suppose to be at but I am pretty sure it wasn't the WindowEyes shortcut but rather the top item which is the My Computer shortcut. Anyway, I will continue posting everything I find related to this problem until there is a definite understanding so I, we, can let AI2 know what is going on besides some vague description if humanly possible. Rick USA -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 4:08 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Phantom Items Being Read Hi Again. I closed Outlook and ReOpened it and WindowEyes is typing correctly now. I looked in the System boxes, the task bar and the notification bar but do not see any literals like "WinEye..." so I don't know where that speech was coming from unless a WindowEyes object not available to the normal keyboard access and falls in line with what Rod had mentioned about the phantom speech coming from some non-display window. In this case though it sounds like a WindowEyes object and not a system object unless the text literal "WinEye..." is on some system object not being read with normal keyboard means. The "..." usually indicates a link or button that would fire up WindowEyes so that may be a clue in this particular case. I used ctrl-shift w and after reading my Desktop items I heard the literal "WinEye..." read at the bottom of the screen although I can not find it using the standard keyboard options. Any ideas of where the literal "WinEye..." may be found? Rick USA Rick USA -----Original Message----- From: Rick Thomas [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 3:53 AM To: 'Rick Thomas'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Phantom Items Being Read I left the computer for a few minutes. Came back and hit the control key just to clear things before starting again. I heard "graphic" "graphic" and was still on the Desktop. I alt-tabbed and heard WinEye... or what sounded like it. I hit alt and heard "graphic" and alt tabbed and got back to the Desktop. I repeated this randomally and heard the WinDEye... again and then opened Outlook to type tthis. Now as I type this WindowEyes is lagging while I type like it is trying to read somethingbefore some keystrokes before , it stopped reading afterr the letter r and is getting so bad I ned to end this message a. I just h enter and heard hat soundle like buch otadfast. Since. Rick USA -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Phantom Items Being Read Hi: I changed the subject to narrow this particular problem discussion. OK: Thinking on this I thought I would first try and figure out where phantom reading might occur and why. First phantom speech could be coming from WE reading something under the Mouse Cursor as Chip mentioned but why would WE read something under the Mouse Cursor if I do not press the mouse, numpad, keys to read anything and, in fact have pressed some standard key on the keyboard? Chip mentioned that WE will try and read, think it was, tool tips automatically which means WE is watching for things to automatically happen on the screen and read something based on screen activity rather than just the press of a keyboard key. Now, I have unchecked the relevant option in the WE Control Panel to disable this from happening but it still happens, errant reading of items from someplace on the screen outside of where focus is suppose to be. It happens in both Internet Explorer and in a standard Desktop Application so not related to Internet Explorer. So, outside of reading Tool Tips automatically, what else is suppose to be read automatically by WindowEyes without being a response to a keyboard action or what may be read under the Mouse or the WE Cursor automatically in response to a non mouse or WE Cursor keyboard event being requested by pressing a Numpad key (mouse cursor or WE Cursor keys)? Knowing just a little about WE Scripting WE has to be executing a speek command at the wrong time to actually speak the phantom item. Could it be WE trying to read something under the Mouse Cursor or WE Cursor or could it be some buffering problem and is there a test I can do to figure out which, or neither, of these may be behind the problem? Rick USA _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/ofbgmail%40mi. rr.com. 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