Hi Jim: I have only the bare bones programs being loaded except a few that I don't know what they do and are related to what I think are software needed for proper operation of the computer and related software. This is beside the point though since WindowEyes should not read what is under the mouse unless a mouse key is pressed in any event. I also do not have a stand-alone numpad but only the numpad that came with my keyboard and am not aware of any menus related to it nor did I load any software - it was just plug and play so don't think there is anything there and not even sure how I can check it out but drivers are not likely the problem since they should have nothing to do with WindowEyes processing a speak command against the speech synth. It appears, so far, to be WindowEyes inadvertantly speaking things perhaps under the mouse without any action on the clients part and that may even be impacting the functionallity of several programs including Outlook, Internet Explorer and perhaps a simple Desktop Application that has some dynamic text changed inside a TextBox when tabbing between controls on that single form. I am going to ReBoot now even though I am not getting the phantom speech anymore and WindowEyes is working well again. I can not determine if it is working well because I fired up jaws, I fired up narrator or because I had closed WindowEyes and just ReOpened it - likely the latter me thinks. Because this happens in several programs, I have identified the phantom speech as being located under the mouse cursor and it is not some weird screen being spoken but rather in one case a shortcut on the desktop and in the other case one of my TextBoxes providing the phantom speech I think we can rule out some third party screen object as the cause. Rick USA
-----Original Message----- From: Jim Grimsby JR. [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 4:14 AM To: 'Rick Thomas'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Phantom Items Being Read I don't know what program is causing this but it is time as I said before to load at start up just the bair bones. See if that helps. Then add each program you use back to your startup tell you find the problem. I have seen a few programs do this sort of thing as I described in my last message. They display these strange windows and the screen reader will try to read them. Window-eyes is very good at getting all kinds of information from all over the place and it could be that it is trying to read a window that one of these programs flashes up for a second or to. Hth -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 12:53 AM To: 'Rick Thomas'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Phantom Items Being Read I left the computer for a few minutes. Came back and hit the control key just to clear things before starting again. I heard "graphic" "graphic" and was still on the Desktop. I alt-tabbed and heard WinEye... or what sounded like it. I hit alt and heard "graphic" and alt tabbed and got back to the Desktop. I repeated this randomally and heard the WinDEye... again and then opened Outlook to type tthis. Now as I type this WindowEyes is lagging while I type like it is trying to read somethingbefore some keystrokes before , it stopped reading afterr the letter r and is getting so bad I ned to end this message a. I just h enter and heard hat soundle like buch otadfast. Since. Rick USA -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Phantom Items Being Read Hi: I changed the subject to narrow this particular problem discussion. OK: Thinking on this I thought I would first try and figure out where phantom reading might occur and why. First phantom speech could be coming from WE reading something under the Mouse Cursor as Chip mentioned but why would WE read something under the Mouse Cursor if I do not press the mouse, numpad, keys to read anything and, in fact have pressed some standard key on the keyboard? Chip mentioned that WE will try and read, think it was, tool tips automatically which means WE is watching for things to automatically happen on the screen and read something based on screen activity rather than just the press of a keyboard key. Now, I have unchecked the relevant option in the WE Control Panel to disable this from happening but it still happens, errant reading of items from someplace on the screen outside of where focus is suppose to be. It happens in both Internet Explorer and in a standard Desktop Application so not related to Internet Explorer. So, outside of reading Tool Tips automatically, what else is suppose to be read automatically by WindowEyes without being a response to a keyboard action or what may be read under the Mouse or the WE Cursor automatically in response to a non mouse or WE Cursor keyboard event being requested by pressing a Numpad key (mouse cursor or WE Cursor keys)? Knowing just a little about WE Scripting WE has to be executing a speek command at the wrong time to actually speak the phantom item. Could it be WE trying to read something under the Mouse Cursor or WE Cursor or could it be some buffering problem and is there a test I can do to figure out which, or neither, of these may be behind the problem? Rick USA _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/ofbgmail%40mi. rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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