I am enjoying the upgrade! -- Curtis Delzer <[email protected]>
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 13:08:41 -0400 Nick Sarames via Talk <[email protected]> wrote: > I think the mistake some of us are making is deciding what all of us should > be doing. Perhaps some of us should upgrade while some of us shouldn't. It > doesn't get any simpler than that. > On 8/13/2015 5:11 AM, Alex yray via Talk wrote: > > Here, here Tom! I could have not have stated it any better! I will never > > understand the purpose of upgrading to the next version since it is > > probably loaded with bugs anyway. I stated once before that I would wait > > until the full release of windows 10 and reading of all the problems others > > are having convinces me I made the right decision! > > > > Aloha, > > > > Alex > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Talk > > [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk > > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 5:08 PM > > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > > Subject: Re: Microsoft and accessibility > > > > Well, Dave. When you cite an example such as your previous employer > > you're opening a Pandora's box of an enormous gray zone. What the owner > > of that company did was to the extreme. And it got him exactly what he > > deserved. > > > > But there's no avoiding bugs and inaccessibility when we're dealing with > > new operating systems and browsers. And no matter how hard these > > companies push their PR machines to show how cuddly and kind they are to > > the blind and other disabled communities it's all just that. To a > > multi-billion dollar company we are worthless. Absolutely worthless. > > That is the hard reality in such a business world. Their jobs would all > > be much easier without us. Our purchasing power is equivalent to adding > > or subtracting pennies from the national reserves. > > > > It's all about money, competition, and the market today. I'm astounded > > to see how much customer service has plummeted in every industry, bar > > none, over the last 20 - 30 years overall. And they're all very well > > aware that if all their competitors do the same then we have no > > recourse, particularly in this situation where we really only have two > > choices: Microsoft or Apple. To me personally, I have one choice: > > Microsoft. VoiceOver is great on my phone. But as much as Apple lovers > > try to rave about it there's no doubt that if I were go to Apple for my > > real computing it would be an enormous sacrifice. It has no flexibility > > or script ability and you do everything one way: their way. > > > > So I'm perfectly willing and have no problem with waiting for the kinks > > to be ironed out in Windows 10. If any of the complainers can give me > > one truly valid reason for their need to upgrade to Windows 10 the day > > it came out I'll give them a million bucks. I've been in this game since > > day one and have yet to see the perfect initial release of anything. If > > I had an extra system kicking around to play with, sure, I'd install > > Windows 10 simply out of curiosity. But I have no faith or expectation > > in any new operating system. > > > > Although with that having had been said, I will say that the rush to > > market mentality has gotten significantly worse over the years. And > > again it's all driven by the money and the market. Microsoft has never > > been famous for their quality. But Apple has and look at them. Their > > record breaking sales and profits continue to rise while their quality > > falls. In recent years problems have been on the rise in their desktops > > and laptops, iOS 9 is more or less a rewrite of iOS 8. And the upcoming > > iPhone 6S has been structurally re-engineered to correct an inexcusable > > unsafe product. And yet we still buy it all or install it. So we share > > the blame. > > > > The computer/internet evolution has created a world of addicts. And here > > we sit whining about bad dope and will do it all over again the next > > time around. So where's the incentive? There's no such thing in a > > virtual monopoly. It's a high-tech form of slavery. That is unless you > > want to go live in a cabin on Golden Pond, stoke your fire, hunt down > > your meals and grow your crops, bathe in the brook, sit on the porch, > > smoke your pipe, sip your herbal tea, and ponder the magnificence of the > > universe. And to be honest, part of me wouldn't mind doing just that. > > Life sure would be a lot easier. And be it that I do live on a lake and > > am at the moment listening to the crickets chirp and the frogs croak, > > maybe I'll take one of my guitars outside and see if I can improvise > > along with them and reach a higher state of consciousness in concert > > with the cosmos. (grin) > > > > Tom > > > > > > On 8/12/2015 8:17 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Hi tom, > >> > >> I am too familiar with Owners pushing Software out the door too soon, to > >> get some badly needed cash flow to start coming into the cash box. > >> > >> for years, I tested these New versions to be released to the customer > >> base, and so often I and the other guys would find bug after bug after > >> bug, and often these bugs were the embarrassing ones, the ones that > >> almost everyone would stumble into if they even used the program > >> slightly. > >> > >> We would prioritized these bugs as to which ones we felt needed to be > >> fixed first second third etc. So often, the owner would look at this > >> list, and toss it aside. he had found some bug he thought would need to > >> be fix before his own mind felt good about releasing the new version. > >> this guy never spoke to the customers, never read their emails, and > >> rarely used his own program. Since he was the owner, everyone could > >> only offer their reports, and do what he said to do. Well, he is out of > >> business now, but he didn't need to be. > >> > >> As someone posted earlier, 20 per cent of the bugs are going to affect > >> 80 per cent of the users. I know there has to be a line drawn, and the > >> product has to be shipped. However, there also needs to be a line drawn > >> where all Bugs that rate a certain level of importance need to be fixed > >> before sending the program to paying customers. > >> > >> I found it embarrassing to be on the Tech phones days after a new > >> release was shipped, and some guy is telling me about some glitch, that > >> we all knew about, and had reported, and is so obvious, and the guy is > >> asking, What kind of quality Control do you people have there? > >> > >> Of course I couldn't tell him that a person who has no contact with > >> customers or his own program, made the decision to ship the program as > >> in its current form. > >> > >> No, instead I had to sound Sorry but Helpful and attempt to figure a > >> working around until a fix could be delivered. and No Sir, I do not > >> know when that fix will be coming, but I am sure it won't be long. > >> > >> So, let me ask those of you who work in the Software industry- Why not > >> take the time to polish the new product until those 20 per cent bugs are > >> gone? And why doesn't someone control Marketing so that marketing > >> doesn't tell the World about the newest and latest edition until there > >> really is a newest and latest edition that is ready for the public? > >> > >> You hear about people going Postal at work. The only time I was > >> entertaining anything like going Postal was when marketing would be > >> telling the World about a product that had yet to exist, and was given > >> Release dates far too soon to be realistic. > >> > >> Lord, I can't tell you how many times I wanted to go into Marketing and > >> not take any Prisoners! marketing painted us into so many corners, > >> and never thought anything was wrong with what they were doing. > >> > >> So the Buggy product goes to market, too early. customers who value > >> their money, and are expecting top quality goods, get something less > >> than good, which tarnishes the reputation of that Company. Don't think > >> this is true? Go back over the last couple of weeks, and see how many > >> people tell the list to wait for the first Service pac, or until the > >> Dust settles etc. even just today, Windows 10, the one some of you > >> have right now, could easily be a Beta, there is that much to still be > >> fixed. > >> > >> Can someone tell me, what benefit is there to the Company, to ship a > >> product that is not truly ready for market? > >> > >> Wouldn't it be better to be a Company that had a solid reputation about > >> reliability and Stability, rather than getting their product to market a > >> month before the other guys. > >> > >> I recall asking these kinds of questions to my Boss, and he just said, > >> Well, everyone else does the same thing. > >> > >> I tell you, my head just about Exploded at that point! I had to laugh > >> and tell him that was a piss poor reason to go to market with a > >> unfinished program. > >> > >> he and I always had an Avisarial relationship. As it turned out, he was > >> let go before I was. he left because he was getting caught up with, and > >> I was let go because too many times our Company chose to ship buggy > >> product, and people stopped buying it. Take care of the Customer and > >> they will take care of you. Something Marketing and Ownership never > >> believed, or understood. > >> > >> Dave > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > > > For membership options, visit > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/alex.liberty% > > 40hawaii.rr.com. > > For subscription options, visit > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > List archives can be found at > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > > > For membership options, visit > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. > > For subscription options, visit > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > List archives can be found at > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/curtis1014%40verizon.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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