Andy, Can you please provide a specific example of where this is happening? The last example you and I discussed privately turned out to work fine with Window-Eyes once I discovered how to work around the poorly designed login process. In this particular case, the modal login dialog that popped up on the screen was actually positioned at the very end of the web page's Document Object Model. So, in essence the modal dialog was put at the very end of the page even though visually it looked like it was active and had focus. I see this type of implementation used all the time and it can be very tricky to deal with. The good news is that there are now techniques that web developers can use to make these dynamic changes user friendly for everyone. For example, using ARIA and JavaScript, you can do some pretty amazing stuff that both looks stunning and is fully accessible. Check out the login process on Twitter. If you activate the Login link, you get a similar looking popup modal login d ialog. But, under the hood it is well designed which makes it accessible and user friendly. So, I want to encourage everyone to report the problems you find to the website owners and advocate for accessibility. If we don't help educate developers and others involved with creating web content, change will be slow or non-existent. Thanks, Marc
-----Original Message----- From: Baracco, Andrew W [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 2:22 PM To: Marc Solomon <[email protected]>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] WE not announcing changes to web page Is it possible that there could be something in the IE settings, such as security settings that could account for the issue of WE not seeing certain items on the screen when the page changes? Andy -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:56 AM To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] WE not announcing changes to web page Sure, you might have to use workarounds and advanced techniques to be successful on poorly designed web pages. But, I still stand behind the fact that the screen redraw does nothing when on the web using Window-Eyes 9.0 or higher. That was the key point I was trying to make. Marc -----Original Message----- From: net bat [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 1:42 PM To: Marc Solomon <[email protected]>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] WE not announcing changes to web page this is not always true. it depends on the programmer. i have gone to many web pages that open a text box or what ever you call it and w e 9.2 will not read it until i turn browse mode off and back on. then i can read what is on the screen. with some web pages like question and answer sites i can click on the question because it is a link. the page will scrole to the bottom of the page where the answer is suppose to be. w e will not read it and if i try to arrow down the text you are put back on the top of the page again. i have some site so i can tell when something changes on the screen. -----Original Message----- From: Marc Solomon via Talk Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 9:14 AM To: Baracco, Andrew W ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Janet Brandly Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] WE not announcing changes to web page The redraw screen hot key (Insert-Backslash) is no longer needed on the web if you are using Window-Eyes 9.0 or newer. This feature on the web only worked in older versions of Window-Eyes that use a static browse mode buffer. Since Window-Eyes now interacts with the web page in real time and doesn't use a static buffer, the dynamic content will be available as soon as it is added to the page. Marc -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Baracco, Andrew W via Talk Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:31 AM To: Janet Brandly <[email protected]>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] WE not announcing changes to web page I have experienced this at times. You can try hitting INSERT-BACKSLASH. This is the command to redraw the screen. I am referring to the INSERT key on the numpad. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Janet Brandly via Talk Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 8:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [EXTERNAL] WE not announcing changes to web page Hello, I am using WE 9.2 with Windows 7. There is a web site I must use for work in which WE does not announce changes to the page when I activate its controls. For example, when I press b� enterb� on a b� clickableb� , WE does not indicate that anything has changed. The only way I knew that it had was that a sighted person told me that it had. Otherwise, I would have thought the control wasnb�t working. What settings do I have to change in WE to get it to announce these changes? Thank you, Jan _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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