I am not talking about Window-Eyes apps using iCloud, I'm talking about programs themselves such as Amazon and ITunes. using iCloud.

-----Original Message----- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
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Yes, I have never heard of window eyes aps using iCloud.  I don't know
enough about them, but I think they just function in window eyes and work
with whatever program they are meant to make work better with window eyes.
Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: John Farley via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 2:52 PM
To: 'Tom Fairhurst' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Tom Kingston'
Subject: RE: Is Window-Eyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Tom,

My understanding is that the WE Apps are just ways of making the use of WE
in some circumstances easier to navigate and use. I do not believe that they
use ICloud at all. Of course, there may be a number of WE Apps that do
require use of iCloud, but these I expect to be exceptions.

Script writers should be able to confirm this.



Regards, John

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Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 7:45 PM
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It's interesting that iCloud may be a culprit. However, if you do that, how
can you work with ITunes, Amazon, etc.? Or, do each of their apps work
without iCloud, itself?

-----Original Message----- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 11:29 AM
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Thomas'
Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

yes, John. It's also a good idea to open IE, Alt-T Tools, manage
add-ons, and disable anything you don't absolutely need.

Regards,
Tom


On 2/17/2016 12:19 PM, John Farley wrote:
Tom, in a note a short while ago I have suggested that it might be iCloud
that is having such an impact.



Regards, John

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[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet....@lists.window-eyes.com] On
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Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:15 PM
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Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

Something else must be causing all these IE crashes you folks are
getting because it never crashes on me. Well, maybe once or twice a year.

Tom


On 2/17/2016 10:41 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:
Yes: It seems JAWS also encounters the same problem but it allows for
working with the close program dialog.
So it is not a problem unique to WindowEyes.

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Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:48 AM
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Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing
problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the crash
and NVDA lets me know what is happening by announcing the crash once
I invoke NVDA.
By the way, using more than one screen reader to accomplish various
tasks is something folks have been doing for twenty years. So having
two screen readers on your system just makes good sense to me.

Elizabeth

At 09:17 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:
I have some sight and  when I have had this problem, I have shut
down Window Eyes and tried IE and I get the same dialog "IE has
stopped working". So it is not WE that causes this particular problem.
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