As soon as Microsoft make some progress, please share it with us. In the meantime, please stop apologizing for their inexcusable choices.
On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Marc Solomon <[email protected]> wrote: > Kevin, > You are entitled to your opinion. As an advocate for the screen reader and > accessibility communities, I believe that constructive dialogue, eduction, > and cooperation is a formula for positive change. I will continue to share > facts about the progress being made by Microsoft in the realm of > accessibility. And, I sincerely hope that in the near future users of > screen readers will have access to another web browser under Windows. > Marc > > Sent with AquaMail for Android > http://www.aqua-mail.com > > On August 2, 2016 5:31:15 PM Kevin Barry <[email protected] <javascript:;>> > wrote: > > Simply put, I believe edge shall never be accessible. Microsoft has > decided to screw screen reader users over and that is that. To add insult > to injury, we must evidently put up with people who should know better > making apologies for microsoft and trying to explain why black is white. > > On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Marc Solomon <[email protected] > <javascript:;><mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>>> wrote: > Well said Rick! To reiterate an important point in my previous post, end > to end accessibility is a team effort. Microsoft only has control over the > OS and browser. The screen reader has to be updated to support the > accessibility architecture of the OS and browser. VFO is actively working > on making this happen. > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon <javascript:;><javascript:;>= > [email protected] <javascript:;><javascript:;>] On > Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:51 PM > To: 'Kevin Barry' <[email protected] <javascript:;><javascript:;>>; > 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <[email protected] > <javascript:;><javascript:;>>; > 'Portia Scott' <[email protected] <javascript:;><javascript:;>> > Subject: RE: update on Microsoft Edge > > If the Accessibility Tree reflects the browser and the page contents it is > then up to the screen reader to use the tree properly and produce the audio > outputs accordingly. > Thus if the browser handles the new objects and the tree reflects the > browser contents it is up to the screen reader to produce quality output. > Rick USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail <javascript:;><javascript:;>= > [email protected] <javascript:;><javascript:;>] On Behalf > Of Kevin Barry via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:37 PM > To: Portia Scott <[email protected] <javascript:;><javascript:;>>; > Window-Eyes Discussion List <[email protected] <javascript:;> > <javascript:;>> > Subject: Re: update on Microsoft Edge > > So, he edge browser is accessible for HTML5, but not accessible for screen > readers. This does not appear to demonstrate Microsoft's commitment to > anything. Unless you count wishing to appear committed. If we cannot use > the browser, all else is irrelevant. > > On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Portia Scott via Talk < > [email protected] <javascript:;><javascript:;>> wrote: > > > I definitely find this pretty interesting. Someone on Twitter was > > saying that edge is actually accessible. Although, you have to tab a lot. > > > > I haven't really tested this, and I am not on my Windows machine at > > the moment. But I thought I would mention this to the list. > > > > Portia. > > > On Aug 2, 2016, at 11:22 AM, Marc Solomon via Talk < > > [email protected] <javascript:;><javascript:;> <javascript:;>> > wrote: > > > > > > Many of you on the list have voiced concerns about the lack of > > accessibility and screen reader compatibility in Microsoft Edge (the > > new web browser in Windows 10). Yes, Microsoft dropped the ball by > > releasing a non-accessible solution when Windows 10 first shipped. > > There is nothing we can do to change that. But, I wanted to share some > > information that was just released that helps demonstrate Microsoft's > > commitment to accessibility and the improvements that have been made to > Edge. > > > First, a little background. HTML5 is the latest version of the > > > markup > > language used to write web pages. This new specification includes many > > new elements that have potential to make web pages more accessible and > operable > > from the keyboard. In order for this all to work, both the web browser > > and assistive technology have to implement support for the HTML5 > specification. > > And, the web page developer has to use the HTML5 markup correctly when > > authoring the page. There are more technical complexities involved for > > creating an accessible experience, but this is a good place to start. > > > Here is an example of how a new HTML5 element could improve > > accessibility. A web page author can use the new <main> element to > > indicate the main content on a web page. The web browser can map the > <main> > > element to a landmark element in the accessibility API (application > > programming interface). This API can then communicate to a screen > > reader that there is a main content landmark available on the page. > > The screen reader can provide the user with a hotkey to navigate to > > the main content landmark. As you can see, a carefully orchestrated > > effort must take place in order for accessibility to happen. Okay, > > that is the end of the > lecture. > > Thanks for staying awake. > > > The website www.html5accessibility<http://www.html5accessibility> > > > was > > created to document the current level of HTML5 accessibility support > > in each of the major browsers (Chrome, Edge, Firefox, Internet > > Explorer and Safari). The website first lists each browser and the > > percentage of HTML5 elements that are accessibly supported. Then, > > there are tables showing > each > > HTML5 element's current support in the major browsers. This website is > > updated frequently. At the beginning of this year, Edge had a score of > 0%. > > As of today, it now has a score of 100%. And, it is the only major > > browser that now accessibly supports all HTML5 features. Edge has > > leapfrogged all of the other browsers, even the mighty Firefox which > > had been at the top > of > > the list for quite some time. This robust HTML5 support in Edge is a > > true testament to Microsoft's commitment to accessibility. And, I for > > one give them kudos for this outstanding accomplishment. Now, back to > > your regular programming. > > > Best, > > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of > > > the > > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > > > > > For membership options, visit > > > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/portia89%40sbc > global.net > > . > > > For subscription options, visit > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > > List archives can be found at > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > > > For membership options, visit > > > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/krbarry%40gmai > l.com > > . > > For subscription options, visit > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > List archives can be found at > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > > > > -- > Sent from Kevin's iPhone. > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/ofbgmail%40mi. > rr.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com > . > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > > > > -- > Sent from Kevin's iPhone. > > -- Sent from Kevin's iPhone. _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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