Oh, OK, you found the point I missed, didn't you. :)
I of course did mean the LIGHT version should be that light, that it did
not hang on the same stuff as the full version. It should simply just be
a way for the screen reader to creep out of a tight spot. In this
particular case, the way I get it, the Display driver or something along
that line, is the bottleneck. Maybe that is why NVDA does work, since it
may not have such a display driver thing. Well, then, why not a light
version of the heavy-pounder screen readers, which would kick into
action, when the main core did not get through. Or, at least, the user
would have a chance to start the light version.
OK, I hear you all. Why invent the wheel all over. See that is not my
point, to have such reinvention. But it does not help a less trained
user, if he has to operate another screen reader, with all its
differences in key-commands for controlling the operation. He wants to
be able to operate the system he has learned through hard hours, and use
the commands and controls he is used to. OK, none of the advanced
features or loads of apps will be running. But if you start NVDA, and
you simply want to read the Window title, don't be surprised that the
Cttrl-Shift-T command will produce no result to you. You now will have
to press something like Insert-T, which you are used to hit for having
read the current time (in Window-Eyes). See how quickly a user would get
lost? If he had a light version of WE, which would run the very basic
screen reader functionality, without any super-advanced driver or
bottom-software, he could continue to use the familiar keystrokes, till
he had everything back in order, and could again be running full-sized.
No, it is no big deal - for all of us who are doing this kind of
multi-screen reader operation all the time; due to our expensive product
not always working. And it is likely no big deal, for all those of us
who has been behind assistive computers for several decades, and been
using so many different pieces of software up through the years, that we
simply just have come to a point of some mental multi-tasking,
memorizing all kind of command keystrokes - past and present. Yet, I
dare say, even among the list members, there likely would be quite a
number of users, who will find it no less than confusing to have to
operate several screen readers to get a job done. And what if you are
trying to install, and speech disappear? How will you even be able to
check the list archives for suggestions, that would tell you to download
and install the NVDA screen reader, then to have to familirize yourself
with the commands in that software. Remember, speech has disappeared, so
how would a user do that?
OK, tell all users to install NVDA, and at least get it set up for their
likings, just in case they might need it some time down the road. That
is what we - the more advanced ones do, ain't it. But then, why not have
AISquared simply tell the user - as part of their initial installation
process:
"Our product may crash on you, through this installation, so would
you please cancel and go get a freeware screen reader, which may help
you out where we don't..."
Sure; it is ironic; such an idea. But in reality, that is where the user
end up anyway, the way things are today.
Yes, WE and Jaws along with other big screen readers, they all are like
jetplanes - compared to the slow-train of NVDA. But if they want to be
jetplanes, then make sure the plane will be possible to fly, even should
one or two engines fail. Don't expect every user on this globe, to
automatically know, that if his paid-for product fails, then he can just
jump the wagon of the free alternative.
David
On 8/4/2016 12:29 PM, Dave wrote:
Yes David, I too find it quite ironic that I, at times, need to use NVDA
in order to fix the High End Commershal one.
But, getting to my real point, I think you have a great idea there. To
have a Little Brother edition of Window Eyes, one to use when doing
fixes, or Installs would be great.
Of course, the reason why Big Brother does not work, may also keep the
Little Brother from working, since they both are probably going to be
using the same method to read the screen. NVDA seems to use some other
method than JAWS or WE.
I would probably use NVDA all the time, but I have found a couple of
programs it won't read, and Win eyes will, so I stay with Win Eyes.
Grumpy Dave
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