Hello 

But do you have to have a diferent screen reader installed to read windows
on mac? Or voice over can read it as well? 

Thanks in advance 

Anthony 

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From: Talk
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Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
Sent: 20 March 2017 05:50
To: Steve Nutt <st...@comproom.co.uk>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Reeva Webb' <jadedangelpromi...@gmail.com>
Subject: moremac information 

I like windows but I am leaning more towards a mac because of the things
that people have to go through for windows.

I mean, come on; I mean with the way that window eyes and jaws are competing
with each other even though that VFO has them both under their banner it is
very sad that things have come to this parting of the markets i mean that
since VFO has both jaws, window eyes, magic and zoomtext the markets aren't
going to be very friendly in the long run; and as to a mac you don't have to
worry about if your windows computer goes by the way side that you have to
re-register your copy of windows
10 with a mac all Mac OS versions are free and that the built in screen
reader "voiceover" is totally built into the OS.

that makes a mac a very viable option and yes they are mor expensive then a
window computer but they are built to last; also you can run windows on a
mac as well, so you do have the best of both worlds. 
3/19/2017 2:24 PM, Steve Nutt via Talk wrote:
> Hi Reeva,
>
> I'm with you here.  Even the Chromebook is really getting good now.  If I
> could find a good audio editing program for the Chromebook, I'm almost
done
> with PCs.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Talk
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> On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
> Sent: 16 March 2017 06:54
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Dennis Long
> <dennisl1...@gmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Failure to hold VFO to account
>
> You know, this gets me thinking esp. With the conversations I've had in
the
> past week. We're getting what we wanted for years. We can go into a
> electronics store and buy a iphone, a android phone, a mac, a chromebook
and
> soon windows computers  with accessibility out of the box. You don't have
to
> spend extra money unless you want to.  While what is happening with zt
> fusion, something I spent my own money to buy makes me mad. I'm seriously
> considering just going fully with mainstream products. I find myself using
> my android devices more and pulling out my laptop less.
>
>
> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
> night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho
>
> Reeva
>
> On Mar 16, 2017 1:18 AM, "Dennis Long via Talk"
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> wrote:
>
> I agree with you completely!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:12 PM
> To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Failure to hold VFO to account
>
> Problem is you i phone users think everyone can use one and can use a
touch
> screen.  They are not for everyone.  I think blind folks fall into that
> worse than any group.  if it works for me, it is great for everyone....
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Mar 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:
>
>> I really think that in the very near future "adaptive" technology will
>> become a thing of the past. We aren't there yet, but more and more
>> things are becoming voice activated, and voice commanded. The market
>> for such special items as Window-eyes and Jaws is waining. Heck, the I
>> phone out of the box gives the blind user access to GPS, internet
>> searches, txt messageing, etc, without the need of an expensive piece
>> of software that at best in moderately useable. It's just a matter of
> time.
>> -----Original Message----- From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:05 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Subject: Failure to hold VFO to account
>>
>> Greetings all.
>>
>> I've just flicked through the latest edition of Access World from AFB.
>> We are promised CSUN updates in April.
>>
>> In the 21st  Century, and with our accessible technology industry
>> going through significant change, not to mention the demise of the
>> pony express, the failure of someone to get down and dirty with VFO
>> leadership suggests to me that we are being let down by credible
> information sources.
>> Quite reasonably, AFB promotes its sponsorship of the Blind Bargain
>> blogs concerning CSUN events and exhibits, but these don't cut it iehter.
>>
>> One of the disappointing things about services like Apple Vis is that
>> although often people exchange useful information, the leadership
>> fails to critique the shortcomings of Apple with respect to its
>> developments in the specialty area of access.  The same seems true on
>> the Windows side of the divide - with no one prepared to critique
>> VFO's
> behaviours.
>> Vaughan.
>>
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