Hi Vaughan, I really wasn't thinking, since normally, for any window, there exists a system menu, accessed with Alt-space, or, for client windows, Alt-minus. After activating this menu, and then using your up and down arrows, you can confirm and/or change its status.
Hth, Rod -----Original Message----- From: Rod Hutton Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 3:56 PM To: 'Vaughan Dodd' <vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer Hi Vaughan, I'm wondering which feature of Window-Eyes you are referring to which confirms the size of the active window. Is it simply that, when you press Control-Shift-T, you hear whether the window is Normal, Maximized or Minimized? If this is what you are referring to, I believe that Jaws has the ability to navigate to the graphic which would inform you of the status of the window, since, by inference, if you find the Restore icon, it is not, in fact, normal in size, but, rather, maximized or minimized. Thanks, Rod -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 3:29 PM To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer As the person who started the thread: My conclusion is that Window-eyes does not work well enough anymore. Changes under the hood as part of network security have helped make Window-eyes less stable. No foreseeable developments scheduled for Window-eyes to fix a gtrowing list of shortcomings. Actually: in my specific situation - JFW is working better. It is not perfect. For example: I occasionally get a strange message which talks about incompatible non-visual elements, but I've not yet worked out how to activate the tool tip. And a Window-Eyes feature which I always liked, but has never been part of JAWS, is the default hotkey which confirms the size of the active Window. It was one of the reasons why I ditched JAWS several generations ago, and it seems that this feature has not been added. I've banged on for too many years regarding shortcomings in Window-Eyes Braille support. With the Focus series of displays at least, JAWS has the simple and powerful feature of autoscrolling, which is adjustable. Similarly: contracted braille entry. Vaughan. -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2017 12:36 p.m. To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer Presumably, WE still works, so why do you have to buy Jaws? On 3/28/2017 9:09 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote: > A number of us don't have the money to buy JAWS! > > -----Original Message----- From: Rod Hutton via Talk > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 2:16 PM > To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: RE: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer > > Hi Vaughan, > > I sincerely hope that Jaws really works for you. > You have to go with what works. (smile) > > Good luck, > > Rod > > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 4:38 PM > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Subject: Window-Eyes has gone from my employer's computer > > Greetings everyone. > > Over the weekend, I switched to JFW, and it has come as something of a > shock to realise that Window-eyes is no longer the preferred screen reader. > > Yesterday it came off my workstation at work. > > JFW meets more of my work requirements than does Window-Eyes. The > braille support with the Focus line of displays is far better than the > support I could get from Window-eyes. > > JFW's extensive help and other training material is for me quite > daunting, but I'll get used to it. > > Web browsing at close to JFW default settings gives more information > regarding elements and content. > > Outlook is keeping track of open messages more reliably. > > > > Yesterday at work: Window-Eyes crashed four times in three hours. To > be more accurate: other apps interacting with Window-Eyes crashed, and > Outlook was one of the prime culprits. > The corporate network gets grumpy with respect to some of the > Window-eyes apps. I am sure that it probably also does with JFW's scripts. > > > So: it is sad to see an old friend go, but when the tools of the trade > no longer do what is required, hard decisions have to be made with > respect to those tools. > > Vaughan. > > > > ------------------------------- > This email and any attachments may contain information that is > confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the > intended recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution or > duplication of this email and attachments is prohibited. If you have > received this email in error please notify the author immediately and > erase all copies of the email and attachments. 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