Hi Vaughan, I really doubt that Window-Eyes really needs much tweaking anymore in order to stay current. Windows 10 isn't changing much.
Best, Rod -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 5:06 AM To: Dennis Long <[email protected]>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes It won't go away so long as people have copies. However: is it being developed? Is it ready for the numerous challenges as technology and access to it goes through a whole range of transformations and innovations? Vaughan. Vaughan. On 3/31/2017 6:59 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: > We don't know WE is going away. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM > To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes > > Hi Sky and List > > > I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes. > > > I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and push > for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws. The number > of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs would be given jaws > SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be put toward the cost of > jaws. Everyone should be given the convention price for jaws. > > > Just a thought, > > Brenda > > > On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: >> Hello Kevin and Vaughn. Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind >> organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance, Window-Eyes would not >> have gotten extinct and this would not have happened. Below, I'm >> going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is on >> this list, and I support him 100 percent! >> >> >> >> >> Email 1: >> >> Hi Sky, >> >> >> >> Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you said, >> had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on favoured >> window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be almost extinct >> at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These people are >> somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The entire system >> has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other screen reader >> has become second rate because of the power wielded withing the blind >> community. It's alright us saying this but actually proving it is >> another matter. If it could be proved and despite all the negativity, >> it could. Then what could happen? Telling the world about how a >> ruthless power hungry organisation set out to control the world of the >> blind with a screen reader? If people would back us up and not just >> say that is what happened without saying I can prove it. To be able to >> prove it would be the icing on the cake. It would show the rotten, >> evil people at jaws who abused their power and in a way forced vendors >> to favour jaws above other screen readers. If enough people were >> prepared to come out and back us up we would have enough to at least make > those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility. >> >> >> >> I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true would >> be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a Mergers and >> nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with no teeth. >> Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major >> money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining. >> They have some power but it is only token gesture. >> >> >> >> There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He will >> be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media cdompanies. He >> owns the majority of the world's media and his control is beyond >> anything that the world has seen before. There isn't much he doesn't >> own and his political power is immeanse. That is the exact same as >> jaws, the rnib, cnib and other organisations for the blind. >> >> >> >> If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and confirm what >> we are saying. That would be at least a start. We could get up a >> petition expressing our opinion of the bullying from these so called >> institutions for the blind. bringing them to account. It may not do >> very much but at least it would rock the boat for a short time and >> always be part of the history of blind peoples lives in a corrupt and > overbearing system. >> >> >> >> >> Email 2: >> >> >> >> >> From: bj colt [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:34 AM >> To: Sky Mundell >> Subject: Re: window eyes proposal >> >> Hi Sky, >> >> I listened to the podcast from scun. I am not only disgusted but >> really pissed off at VFO and with the presenters at the tech podcast. >> ~Why aren't they kicking up hell? Probably because they are jaws >> users. I got that impression just by their attitude. Zoom text and >> fusion was an AI squared and window-eyes conception. Not a VFO idea. I >> did say that's why they bought out ai squared and it seems I was >> right. They are going to unceremoniously dump window-eyes. No new >> updadtes, no upgrades, nothing, no development. The list really has to >> do something at this stage. We really have to get together and make >> sure VFO are aware of our feelings. Everyone who has paid for sma's >> are now entitled to a full refund, no questions asked. No development >> means no upgrades, no upgrades equals no need for sma's. No sma's means > they are stealing our money under false pretences. >> >> This time things have gone too far. Something has to be done, whether >> it is a petition, legal action to force VFO to state their position. > Something. >> All the conjecture on the list has to stop and positive action taken >> by those who wish to keep window-eyes alive. What was stated in that >> podcast, whether it is the opinions or not of the people who are >> making the statements. It was made so clear, "No development of >> window-eyes will continue". Only those areas where profit is to be made > will be supported. >> That was made abundantly clear. That wasn't just an opinion, it was a >> matter of fact. >> >> Live long and prosper, John >> >> >> >> >> Hi Sky, >> >> >> >> Yes, they said that the free copy of window-eyes with Office was a >> demo, that it wasn't a full version, it only lasted 6 months, it only >> lasted a month. Those were regular lies told by vendors. The vendors >> favoured Jaws because it brought them more profit. In that the Big >> blind organisations reckomended jaws above other screen readers. When >> those in Education, employment and other fields contacted the rnib etc >> with questions about screen readers. What did they get? They got jaws >> and nothing else. No reckomendations for window-eyes, nothing, only >> jaws was offered. It happened iwth me. I lost a job because of it. >> >> >> >> Think about it? Jaws screen reader was always reckomended, followed by >> extensive training in jaws at a higher cost, scripts that were >> designed by jaws script writers at a consierable cost. Sky that was >> the entire package that was reckomended. The cost of everything, the >> dam high cost of everything. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: bj colt [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 10:51 AM >> To: Sky Mundell >> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes Proposal >> >> Hi Sky, >> >> Members of the list have stated that and more. No one was willing to >> fight gw's corner. Jaws had too much a grip in institutions, that's one > reason. >> The actual proof was so well hidden it could not be proved >> conclusivly. Yet it was widely known. As in the post about FS seuing >> institutions if they didn't approve of jaws over any other screen >> reader. In hindsight, had we known that window-eyes would be put in >> jeapordy we would have done something. None of us knew this may happen >> and that's another reason we didn't do anything about the situation. >> >> Sadly it looks as if it is all over for window-eyes. I noticed the >> post saying the person contacted aisquared and confirmed that s m a's >> were and would be available in the future. >> Yet he wasn't willing to actualy prove that was the case. He didn't >> post an email or confirmation from asquared that this was the case. I >> would have liked to have been given proof of this. My proof is in the >> email posted to the group by asquared, where no mention of s m a's are > made. >> >> There isn't much time left for VFO to make an official statement about >> the future of window-eyes. Then we will know for certain. >> >> Robert would be livid. He would be doing anything to keep window-eyes > alive. >> The same as we will be doing. He will be proud of us when the time comes. >> >> Live long and prosper, John >> >> >> >> >> These are my thoughts as well. These emails should get us springing >> into action to keep Window-Eyes going. Lets all keep it alive and get >> this truth exposed and get Window-Eyes to the top in organisations for the > blind. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk >> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 6:50 AM >> To: Vaughan Dodd; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >> Hi Vaughan: >> >> Mostly, I see your point and I would aggree, accept that, if VFO works >> out a contract with Microsoft which will allow them to create a JAWS >> For Office, presumably Window-eyes, and therefore Window-eyes for >> office, will be dead so there will only be two free screen readerws. >> Also, if WGW Micro created Window-eyes for Office to prevent people >> from switching to NVDA, wouldn't that reasoning apply to creating a >> JAWS For Office? Not to say that they will because I highly doubt >> that that will happen, but maybe it remains a possibility. >> Kevin Huber and >> >> On 3/29/17, Vaughan Dodd via Talk <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I think you'll find that VFO will not do this. >>> >>> Microsoft funded this, under a contractual basis. >>> The contract supporting the Window-Eyes with Office scheme will >>> most certainly come to an end. >>> The financial backers of VFO are funding the continued development of >>> JFW, and they will expect a return on their investment. >>> >>> The Window-Eyes for Office deal was a response to the increasing user >>> support for NVDA. The dramatic reduction in the addition of new >>> features and bug fixes for Window-Eyes is due in part to the deal, >>> and people choosing not to purchase Window-Eyes because they had >>> access to two free screen readers. >>> >>> There is no way that there can be three free screenreaders. >>> >>> >>> Think about it: once a JFW for Office deal is struck with Microsoft, >>> there will be clauses - such as - "cannot continue to develop >>> interfaces for products from software competitors" and so forth. >>> >>> Regarding the Orbit thing: emulation of an 18 cell display means you >>> lose 10% of the available realestate. Because the objective of the >>> Orbit >> project >>> is sound - electronic braille to more people - there will be a JFW >>> driver soon. That driver will probably need to be developed by the >>> Orbit consortium, rather than VFO. VFO won't throw in a free non VFO >>> braille display when you buy JFW. It will develop deals for >>> discounting its own displays. This is partly why Optelec are part of the > group. >>> >>> Vaughan. >>> >>> >>> >>> Vaughan. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:[email protected] >>> m] On Behalf Of Joshua Kennedy via Talk >>> Sent: Thursday, 30 March 2017 11:07 a.m. >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >>> >>> and so this is why the vfo group has to just fold window eyes into >>> jaws or just give us a free jaws for office option. because for some >>> people NVDA does not cut it, and we need something more powerful, yet >>> that is low cost or free. a jaws for office would work fine >>> especially if you need to do stuff in microsoft office. not to >>> mention jaws works good with the orbit >>> reader20 prototype set to refreshabraille18 emulation. >>> window eyes does not work with orbit20 at all. come on vfo group let >>> us >> use >>> jaws for free if microsoft office is installed on our machines! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author >>> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vaughan. >> dodd00 >> 1%40msd.govt.nz. >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> This email and any attachments may contain information that is >> confidential >>> and subject to legal privilege. 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