I'm not in a big hurry.I want to learn the Mac anyway, but WE works maybe
"fair" with windows 10, and that is being generous. There's been an ongoing
issue with WLM for the last 6 years and it still barely works with WLM.
Being loyal is one thing being dumb enough to keep buying SMA's and then
everytime you have an issue , it's always the same issue in the end. They
tell you it's a Windows problem or the website isn't accessible. That
doesn't fly when you can use that very website with NVDA, etc
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w e, is falling way behind since they were taken over.
i hope its just because they are waiting for windows 10 creator to come out.
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pop up dialogs that don't speak, even when useing shift control escape to
read
them.
its worse with windows 10
includeing the u a c.
buttons that don't say what they are. like with itunes when i want to hide
the
apps i don't want to show in the perchased list.
not being able to open the firefox bookmark list with control i without w e
hanghing. i have to turn auto load and browse mode off before i open it.
then w
e will not hang.
not being able to get the food prices when useing the safeway.com site to
buy
groceries. it only says price and price in the search results. i have to
turn
brows mode off on every item in the list to get the prices.
i can not even use the delivery schedual because i don't know where i am in
the
list.
nvda works for all of these issues.
my speach synth neo speech and ivona keeps re reading web page text over
and
over again with read to end. speech stops where ever there is several blank
lines between paragraphs. this happens with notepad, adobe reader,
firefox,wlm
and i e 11.
i have to keep pressing the read to end keys to continue reading the pages.
this started when browse mode was re written a few years ago.
it does this with both windows 7 and 10.
the only synth that does not do this is elaquence reed. it will read to the
end
of the pages non stop.
i can use both synths with nvda and this does not happen.
the list goes on and on.
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From: Jim via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 7:16 AM
To: Brian Moore ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: making the switch
Brian, Like you I have been a long-time user of WE, unlike you though,
I really do not seem to be experiencing the difficulties with WE. I
would be interested in knowing just what it is that WE no longer does
efficiently. I have for the most part found each subsequent release of
WE to be considerably improved. Oh, there are a few things that I would
like to see it do, but those things I cannot do with NVDA or Narator
either. Just curious as to your issues with WE?
THANKS and Have A Good 1! de
<KF8lT><Jim>.
On 04-Apr-17 10:00, Brian Moore via Talk wrote:
Hi. I am someone who started using the MAC several years ago. While I
still use it once in a while, I don't love the experience of web browsing
and working with email which is something I do a lot of everyday. I have
gone back to a pc. In my opinion, we has decreased in performance since
version 7. While there have been some steps forward certainly, there have
also been a lot more frequent lock ups and things which just won't read.
At this point, I have uninstalled it from all but one of my machines and
use NVDA pretty much all the time. Sure, it was a learning curve and
there are still some things I would argue that we does far better but nvda
for me is very very stable and doesn't lock up or crash nearly as much as
we was doing. I have not even tried it on windows 10.
Also, when the aisquared thing happened and I couldn't order my upgrade
online anymore because I am in Canada so have to wait for some third party
to order it and send it to me, it just wasn't worth the head ache
anymore..
I have owned this product since version 3 and was a very happy customer
but 9.1 will be the last version I own.
Brian.
On 04/04/2017 9:45 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:
Well before you Unsubscribe from this list, once you have an Apple Mac,
and you've had it for a couple of months, let us know what you think?
And my request is not coming from a, Wait till you find out how
miserable the Mac is, attitude. Not hardly. Am very interested in
how good the Mac actually is, and just how accessible that system can be.
Like Narrator, at first glance it seems to work well enough, it speaks
things well, and even things the other two Screen Readers do not. And
yet, Narrator is limited it what it can do, and what it can read. I
have gotten the impression that All Screen Readers have this
characteristic, but for some Readers, those Gaps in what is not read are
smaller.
In our imperfect world of Computer Access, most of us want as much
access as possible. Less is not a Good thing, otherwise we would all be
seriously looking at Narrator.
And of course, everyone's Need for a Computer varies. Some use it to
red and write Emails and a letter to Grandma once in a while. And
others still, use their computer all day long, and quite intensely, which
puts not only the Operating System through a Vigorous Work Out, but the
Screen Reader has to attempt to read everything and Keep up with the
user who is pushing everything on the system to the breaking point.
So, after you've had the Mac system for a while, post your thoughts, and
what you actually need the system to do for you.
Grumpy Dave
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