I had asked about a keyboard layout and was told they would have to make sure it didn't conflict with other programs like fusion. That was why they didn't do that WE keyboard layout. -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 7:48 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Tom Kingston Subject: Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume
Butch, Actually, VFO initially promised Doug they would create a Window-Eyes keyboard layout and then they reneged on that promise, which is typical and says a lot about who they are. And yes, their number one priority since day one has been governmental and charitable money money money. I nailed them many years ago for telling the Massachusetts Commission for the Blind that Open Book, a self-voicing program, required JAWS. Needless to say the head of technology was absolutely livid when he considered how many JAWS licenses they paid for to give Window-Eyes users Open Book. Regards, Tom On 8/20/2017 6:44 PM, Butch Bussen wrote: > You are so right, Tom. When I was a client in Nevada and for a short > time an employee, they pushed Jaws totally. they bought from cross > roads, a division of easter seals and those vendors wined and dined > the counselors to convince them to buy their products. Of course, if > any scripting was done, the state paid through the nose . I know Doug > tried to get vfo to do a window-eyes keyboard interface as window-eyes > did for jaws, and vfo flat refused. To me, jaws isn't intuitive at > all and I still run window-eyes. I will do so until it quits working. > When that time comes, I may go to a braille-sense or something like > that for e-mail and internet. On Sun, 20 Aug 2017, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: > >> You're right, Dennis. VFO bought their biggest competitor. They have >> the code. They're not going to give it or sell it to anyone. It's no >> different than the countless companies that Apple, Microsoft, Google, >> and Facebook are constantly buying. They either buy them to kill the >> competition or because they want the technology. It's very hard for >> new startups with new technology today because who can say no when >> they've been struggling for years and then one of the aforementioned >> giants dangles three-hundred million under their nose, which for you >> conspiracy theorists, is *not* what happened with GW Micro. >> >> FS may pick and poke at the Window-Eyes code to see if there's >> anything they can use as long as none of us can see that it came from >> Window-Eyes. That's their egotistical manner of operation. And I'm >> not even sure if they care enough to do that. I think the beast is >> out of control and they'll never spend the time to reel it back in >> unless they realize their life depends on it and it's not too late. >> Today iOS or Android is enough for many people to do everything they >> want: surf the web, email, social media, music, movies, news, and on >> and on. And of course there's the NVDA and up and coming Narrator avenues as well. >> >> Users are not the priority at FS. I've known this for years. But the >> little time I've spent with JAWS has really confirmed it big time. >> I've never in my thirty years of computing seen a less user friendly >> non-intuitive user interface. They'd have to be brain-dead not to >> know this. Screen readers have gotten more complicated over the >> years. And as Doug realized years ago it was time for a new UI. But >> it's a considerable project; one that the folks at FS obviously are >> not willing to take on. To lifelong JAWS users it defined the norm. >> But to anyone else the JAWS UI is a disgrace compared to that of >> Window-Eyes, which comparatively speaking is self-explanatory. I now >> can see why non-power-users have to simply accept what it is out of the box. >> They're not willing to spend days trying to figure out how to make a >> simple change in the convoluted labyrinth they call a UI. It's like >> buying a home with a thousand rooms and that home has a thousand >> doors on its exterior. Virtually nothing is obvious or self-explanatory. >> >> And Olusegun? It's virtually impossible to crack a big low-level >> program like Window-Eyes. And even if someone could there's no such >> thing as porting it over to Android. At best it could be used as a >> template for an extremely skilled group of programmers to use as a >> guideline. Mobile operating systems like Android do not possess the >> inherent ability, programability, or processing power to do half of >> what a full blown screen reader can do. >> >> Regards, >> Tom >> >> >> On 8/20/2017 1:37 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: >>> They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What company >>> do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for >>> profit to just give it away. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>> Sky Mundell via Talk >>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM >>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >>> Cc: Sky Mundell >>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >>> >>> They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>> Dennis Long via Talk >>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM >>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >>> Cc: Dennis Long >>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >>> >>> I'm pretty sure they own the code. I say this for a few reasons 1 >>> they bought AI Squared and their products. What are their >>> products? WE is one of those. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>> Sky Mundell via Talk >>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM >>> To: [email protected]; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >>> Cc: Sky Mundell >>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >>> >>> I hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes >>> code or anything. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Talk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>> Olusegun >>> -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk >>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM >>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long' >>> Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. >>> Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume >>> >>> Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now >>> that Window-Eyes is dead!! That aside, Window-Eyes is an >>> impressive screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun! >>> Maybe--just maybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes >>> code and PORT IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense >>> on the part of V F O. >>> Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Olusegun >>> Denver, Colorado >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%4 >>> 0shaw.ca >>> >>> . >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennis >>> l1982%40 >>> >>> gmail.com. >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%4 >>> 0shaw.ca >>> >>> . >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennis >>> l1982%40 >>> >>> gmail.com. >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%4 0charter.net. >>> >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/butchb%40shell world.net. >> >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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